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An Official Message from Covers Regarding betEd

By FreedomAtStake | View all Posts
Posted Wednesday, May 25, 2011 01:22 PM   163 comments
I will start with the news that many people have already suspected: betEd is closed and will not be reopening.

But there is more news: All of the player funds have been seized. 

That is not a typo. There is no money left. The American government has it all.

Now, this isn't the first time sportsbooks have gone out of business, so you might be wondering why Covers feels the need to make an official statement about the status of betEd.

It is simple. They were at the top of our Top Sportsbooks list, and this is the first time in 16 years that we have ever recommended a sportsbook that went out of business without paying their customers.

And it is a damn shame.

It wasn't their fault. They got entrapped by a sting run by the American government, and now the American government has seized all of their bank accounts and holds your money.

I've already heard people complaining that betEd must have been shitty businessmen to lose the player deposits.

Nope. That was all accounted for. They ran a small, but very professional shop. They intentionally tried to stay below the big government radar. They made business decisions based on the idea that sometimes it was a good idea to leave a little bit of profit on the table if it meant that they would be more secure.

None of that mattered. The money was seized.

That is scary.

But I will end this post on a positive note. And by "positive" I mean, I am positive of one thing: Anybody owed money by betEd will get it back.

That's right. You heard it here first. 

We at Covers.com don't take kindly to having our clients money stolen from them. Hell, it makes us look bad. We recommended those guys to you.

We will do everything in our power to get your money back and in your hands. We are going to ask, beg, talk, whine, shout, whisper, or write to whoever it takes to get that money released to the players.

That is a promise.
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SnotBoogy says:
05/25/11 01:25PM
awesome, i'm in for $1500
Stiln says:
05/25/11 01:28PM
Yeah I'd like my $780
Montezuma says:
05/25/11 01:28PM
I'm in for $700, the covers recommendation for BetED was so convincing
supersports99 says:
05/25/11 01:30PM
I have been a customer for them over three years.  They been treating me well and no problems.  It is too bad they are out of business. But even worse that I still have $3500 in the account.  Hopefully we will get it back.

kaponofor3 says:
05/25/11 01:32PM




That's a mighty big promise, Freedom. I wish you guys luck.


BetToWin says:
05/25/11 01:36PM
If you made a payment to betEd using Visa, CHARGE IT BACK!
SnotBoogy says:
05/25/11 01:38PM
can we get an official statement from Lou on this too. I know he's given updates, but I'd like to hear from him as well.
Lou says:
05/25/11 01:42PM
BetToWin - You'll never see me recommend a person to do a chargeback, but in this case I would turn a blind eye.

Snot - I've updated the Update.
King_Coebra says:
05/25/11 01:42PM
Aren't you the same person berating clients yesterday for their "hysteria" and stating that BetED would most likely resume their spot atop the Covers rankings shortly?

And we should believe you or anything anybody else here at Covers has to say why?  Your credibility is completely and totally shot as far as I'm concerned, and quite frankly, you folks are now the laughingstock of quite a few other sites out there.  You've been exposed.

I've already initiated chargebacks against these BetED crooks.  I'm not going to wait around for a bunch of chumps from Covers who just yesterday stated players funds were "safe", as in safely in the pockets of fleeing BetED execs and Covers bigshots who misled clients into believing that BetED was both solid and safe, of which they are neither.
rangerz2478 says:
05/25/11 01:47PM
I appreciate the fact you will be trying to hard to get the money back but what about players who had PENDING wagers, such as futures on team to win nba title and whatnot. Since beted is closed, how would you guys go about getting that money back? I had numerous futures such as Heat to win Eastern Conference, etc. that would have been winners.

Isn't it going to be almost impossible to figure all this out?
FreedomAtStake says:
05/25/11 01:55PM
King_Coebra - At the time, that's what I thought. Being hysterical didn't change a thing for you, did it?


This is the only response I will make to you, as you probably won't read it anyway.


If you could read, you would notice that it has been very clear that the

US government has seized all of the player deposits. The US government

has told people that they seized accounts. This is a lie?


We were hoping that the player deposits were not seized. No such luck.


That being said, I still pledge to do everything I can to get the American government to return your money. Please, let us know if your chargeback is successful, so they can take you off the list. That would be honorable, right?


rangerz: That's a great question. And I really can't answer that right now. Good point though and it should be considered.
rangerz2478 says:
05/25/11 01:59PM
It's one thing for you guys to figure out player balances and whatnot, but it's another to think there's any possible way of determining what players had pending. It's not as if I expect the U.S. government to grade my Miami Heat Eastern Conference futures so in that regard it's obviously an interesting aspect to all this. I'll admit, I'm on the lower end of the pole here as my pending wagers are not that big from BetED. But at the same time, I'm sure there are a ton of people out there with pending futures who are going to want answers.

Anyways, I appreciate the response.
SnotBoogy says:
05/25/11 02:04PM

ha, I have Chicago over Heat +155, i was hoping that all pending wagers now would be converted back into funds LOL
King_Coebra says:
05/25/11 02:14PM


I wasn't being hysterical.  I was sticking up for the rights of others to voice their displeasure with what is going on with a book that you folks illegitimately had rated #1.  You were the jackass who felt compelled to insult them for their very real and legitimate concerns as it turns out.

What has been reported has not been clear in the least.  It was stated that bank accounts were frozen.  We are to assume that the book you had rated number one overall would be stupid enough to keep all players funds in one or two locations instead of spread out all over the place like others do.  Especially in today's climate and the recent Black Friday incident?  Do you think everybody is just fucking stupid?

I guess because Lou now claims that ALL players money has been seized that means it to be true huh?  I'm sorry, but Lou's, yours and every other member of the Cover's staff's credibility is shot, so no just because I read that Lou stated all players funds are now gone does not make it factual.

You weren't "hoping" they weren't seized because you actually reported that players funds were safe.  Which means you, Covers, lied to everybody about the situation in an attempt to cover your own asses.

I can't believe you even have the gall to mention honorable.  What honorable thing has Covers done regarding this situation other than erroneously post an update stating our funds were safe and that BetED would return to their position atop the Covers rankings as soon as this all got sorted out.

You have a lot of nerve. Quit spinning shit, wipe the egg off your face, admit you and the rest of Covers only recommended BetED because they have been lining your pockets  and quit insulting customers who have lost money because they believed your recommendations in the first place.

What a total tool.
Spread_Eagle says:
05/25/11 02:19PM
My Grandma has a Trust Fund worth $20 Million. She loves sports just like me. She also likes betting as well. So as a gift for my 18th birthday she gave me a $10,000 bank roll and she became my sports bookie. All my bets went through her and she was able to cover all my winnings. Since the start, my bank roll is up to $98,659! But that's not the point. The point is the U.S. Government isn't going to seize my Grandma...
mixitup44 says:
05/25/11 02:21PM

I've never had a problem with beted.com as I have always enjoyed their website and the payments have always been handled very well. However, this has been a terrible string of events in the pass 2 days. I myself had 2,153 dollars on my account and I want it back as well. I have already emailed my congressional district leader and hope that this promise of getting our money back is true as I took your advice to open an account on beted a few years ago.

Best of luck too all and continued winning!

moshpit552 says:
05/25/11 02:22PM
Hi Freedom,

I had exactly $1491.23 in my account, but how can we even prove what we had in our accounts if we can't even print out something showing our balances since the site is down.  I keep a log of all my wagers and my daily balances, will that hold up if there is ever a time where the government decides to give us back our funds?

Thanks for your help, and good luck with all your efforts.
moshpit552 says:
05/25/11 02:23PM
Also, I am in the same boat where I only signed up with Beted because they were so heavily advertised on Covers.  Thanks for the effort Covers, I hope you guys can do right by us.
Lou says:
05/25/11 02:25PM
Kiing - I know you lost some money, but your a fucking clown.

If you spent anytime on this forum you would see that we try very hard to give people the best information we can.


This site does get paid by its advertisers. So what?

They've been doing it for 15 years, and this is the first time I've seen them have an advertiser go sour with the deposits, so if you want to use this one situation against them, go ahead, but it shows how uninformed you are.

Find another site that has this much information that gives it away for free. These guys have to make money somehow.

I can't believe you call out a guy like that after he just pledged to get your money back.

King_Coebra says:
05/25/11 02:31PM


Lou go fuck yourself.  I don't give a rats ass what you think or say.  You lied to us about the situation yesterday in your update.  The jackass you are so adamantly defending was insulting folks yesterday because of their concerns.  He just mocked me in his reply inferring that i had trouble reading.

Covers is a joke and I really don't care that some asshat claims he is going to do everything in his power to get our money back.  I don't trust you, I don't trust him and I don't trust Covers.

Look in the mirror if you want to see a fucking clown asshole.
Lou says:
05/25/11 02:39PM
I've read all of the posts you and had.

You started over the top and kept getting more and more ridiculous.

The only reason you are not banned is because each of your posts makes you look more and more like a lunatic.

Keep it up.

You still haven't promised to let us know if your chargeback goes through.
alling says:
05/25/11 02:50PM
Why didn't the Government go after all the bigger operations like they did in Poker? Why are Bookmaker et al still up running? 
King_Coebra says:
05/25/11 02:53PM


Lou.  You don't need to ban me because I have no interest in supporting this POS site any further.  Since I joined several weeks ago I have seen nothing but misinformation and lies from you (BetUS is closing, personal BetED recommendation, recommendation of BetED live betting platform that has caused me nothing but hassles with the multiple errors to my account, and to top it off, you had the nerve to update your locked thread with the "fact" that players funds were safe yesterday)

Why would I make any sort of promise to you or your site?  You have done nothing but lie and provide misinformation and downright lies since day one.

You don't need to ban me.  I would like my account closed and permanently disabled now. 
supersports99 says:
05/25/11 02:54PM
Lou, can I have some help here.  or anyone else.  how will the charge back through work?  The credit card company needs to investigate to see if the other company can provide any information.  In the case that beted is gone so there is no one to back up the charges right?
Lou says:
05/25/11 03:05PM
Hi rich:

No idea. All I know is that the owner of this site, despite what the haters might think, actually do really care about their reputation.

They know that they make their business off of being respected and the fact that they lost an advertiser and the deposits is making them sick and angry, and they plan to make this a big public stink.
Lock_Stock says:
05/25/11 03:12PM
Coebra , i assume your name is why why freedom assumed you couldn't spell.

if you don't believe Lou or Freedom here is the official press release from the department of Justice. The US Government has seized the funds. All covers is promising here is to "TRY" to get your money back. No one knows how this will play out.

Stop crying like a little bitch and take a (potential) loss like a man.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/md/Public-Affairs/press_releases/press08/OperatorsofInternetGamblingSitesandTheirBusinessesIndicted.html

kuddish says:
05/26/11 02:19AM
I'm with most of you and Beted was recommended from here. Sorry to read that most of you lost some solid doe. I'm onlyy out 350. Wish I could somehow get it back.

The old saying the house always wins....Well that is becoming very very true.

ozzwald says:
05/25/11 05:10PM
mrsaratoga, why not slam them when they put the site on their #1 spot of recommended books? That's ridiculous. Do you know how many people have signed up on betED due to ads on covers?

I assure you, the # has to be astronomical.

If you're going to put a book at #1, make sure it is a #1 quality book like TheGreek.

The fact that thegreek isn't on the list just goes to show that the 'list' is bullshit anyways.

Bookmaker getting closed really does shock me. Aren't they affiliated with BetJamaica?

mudpie says:
05/25/11 03:48PM
I am certainly no expert on this, but I know for a fact that if the US Govt. has seized funds of beteds and/or from players accounts, it will be years before anyone ever sees a dime....if ever.  You are talking about the largest bureaucratic machine in the world, which moves on issues like this very, very slowly, probably on purpose.  What motivation do they have to clear this up in a hurry...they hold all the funds and don't give a rats ass whether you are a US Citizen or not.  I will be absolutely stunned if any player ever sees a dime and if you do trust me you will see the phrase PRO-RATA SHARE somewhere b/c the Feds will easily declare a large expense for this sting and will skim that right off the top....thus your pro-rata share.  I truly hope I am wrong here, but take this advice for now....if you are owed money from beted and you are counting on it for something real important in the short term....you need to look elsewhere for the funds.
Scooter1 says:
05/26/11 02:48AM
Freedom@Stake -

"But I will end this post on a positive note. And by "positive" I mean, I am positive of one thing: Anybody owed money by betEd will get it back.


That's right. You heard it here first. 


We at Covers.com don't take kindly to having our clients money stolen from them. Hell, it makes us look bad. We recommended those guys to you."

 

"I am positive of one thing: Anybody owed money by betEd will get it back."

 

Does this mean that covers.com will personally repay the people robbed by this scam sportsbook, which is using the seizure of a small amount of their funds that they had at a payment processor as an excuse to rob the customers you sent to them?

 

Or is this pure hot air?

 

 

 

Scooter1 says:
05/26/11 02:50AM

Start replacing it yourself then, windbag.

 

 

 

 

bustn2night says:
05/25/11 07:41PM
acampbell3 says:

05/25/11 06:42PM

EMPTY your own bank account boys!!...BEFORE betED does....then close your bank account, and to be extra careful. take all your personal banking to a completely different bank.

THIS IS WHAT WORRIES ME!!

LRM704 says:
05/25/11 05:32PM

My account was swept up also, but guys please get a grip.

If you are betting with a local or even a bigger fish and the net swoops in who the hell would you be going to to complain. If I recommended the guy in my cafe than should I be held accountable ?

My feeling is that Covers has no responsibility to me or any other member to get their money back.

Just my 2 cents here,  but I would strongly advise against any charge backs attempts. It's just not the right thing to do.

LRM704 says:
05/25/11 05:49PM

  To Lou and the entire Covers team, 

This is not your fault and you shouldn't be held accountable.

Like I stated before.  If I introduce you to my friend Tony, who takes action, and months later he gets busted. Am I now responsible to make sure you get paid ?

The answer is hell no as this would be between you and the man looking at serious jail time for bookmaking

GET MY POINT ? 

 

 

 

LRM704 says:
05/26/11 02:16AM
   No diarrhea but thanks for asking. How's that bruised vagina of yours ?  
LRM704 says:
05/25/11 11:28PM
They have all my information including my drivers license Just. I work for the government and I have no reason to think that I will be contacted.
LRM704 says:
05/25/11 11:28PM
It's only money people, it can be replaced
MRSARATOGA says:
05/25/11 05:56PM
One can argue all day long about a books ranking.  One guy has a bad experience and the book stinks another gets paid in one day and the book is the best.  I don't pay much attention to the rankings to be honest with you. I go by my personal experiences.  If Covers and other sites are guilty of anything it is saying stuff like, " you will never have a problem at book such and such". That part has always been irresponsible to me because you just don't know what the future holds with any book or with the government.  There is no book immune from being government hit.
MRSARATOGA says:
05/25/11 04:09PM

Slamming Covers is a mistake.  Any book on any sportsbook list on any site could get hit at anytime at all.  Covers has nothing to do with that. When you play offshore you are in uncharted waters, I don't care what book you want to mention.  Stepping out and putting a guarantee on funds being returned is a bold move to me and I hope it works. 

This is life, don't knock a site that wants things to work more than we do!

 

gamble04 says:
05/26/11 01:09AM
My main concern is will other books follow with what happened to beted.
bandit25 says:
05/25/11 08:28PM

Bed-Ed did not respond in "goof faith" to initial actions by the DOJ and requests to stop taking wagers. Once the DOJ felt they had given the site enough time to respond and not receiving anything contructive from owners and top-end management, they felt the only thing they could do to get their full attention was something very drastic. LOCK DOWN THE SITE AND ALL LINKED BANK ACCOUNTS IMMEDIATELY.

Now that they have BetEd's attention, they will just make an example of them as a warning to other site operators to make sure they immediately stop accepting deposits, wagers, and activity from US players.

(Lou and other covers guys, you can check on this story with your connections. You will find mostly all of this is 100% TRUE)

The DOJ does not issue empty threats folks. Even though I'm Cdn, I know this for a fact. When they come knocking, you may as well answer cause you can rest assurred that they are fully prepared to take the ENTIRE HOUSE down.

I can pretty much say that all BetEd did was "Attempt" to avoid the DOJ and try to open other bank accounts, websites etc to keep the business running. Once the DOJ realized this was their plan, they IMMEDIATELY froze all bank accounts and affiliated websites.

FACT: BetEd was simply just not as prepared for something like this as other books and poker sites are. They were NOT deserving of the #1 spot on covers.

It will take prolly 7 days or less for all the management, owners etc to spend the remaining money that they have in their pockets, and then after about a week or so, they probably wont even have enough money left to buy a pack of smokes with.

Trust me after this next 7 days, these "execs" will not GIVE A FUCK about their "reputation" and will not do anything more to make sure ALL players get their money back. Trust me once they are broke and un-able to travel to most places, you'll never hear from them again.

I say the best chance players have to get their funds back are after a few months of DOJ going through all the BetEd records, player files, account info etc. They will know EVERYTHING. Especially about the "big players" and their balances.

As a cdn, I also use processors from sportsbooks to deposit and receive funds. For now I will be withdrawing ALL FUNDS while I know the jurisdiction for this is not gonna touch cdn players for now, the processors are still getting affected and could in fact hurt my chances of pulling out funds over the Summer if some of the actual processors go UNDER as well.

GOOD-LUCK ALL TO ALL US PLAYERS. GET YOUR MONEY BACK!!

bandit25 says:
05/25/11 08:44PM

My question is why didnt they offer a 500% sign-up and re-load bonus with 3x rollover??

Oh I guess THAT would be too obvoius...

killakrzydav says:
05/26/11 01:01AM
Would someone like to tell me why the poker room is up and running if the sportsbook has been seized.


killakrzydav says:
05/26/11 01:18AM
BetEd of course.  A poker room recommended by Lou himself. 
cubd80 says:
05/25/11 08:57PM

If the US Governement has seized all of the player accounts (and money in these accounts), they now have a list of every US customer who had an account.

Are US Consumers at risk of having these accounts?

waltertaylor24 says:
05/25/11 04:07PM
My guess is if the Government don't release a statement soon saying that they will release the players money , then the money is gone
dixonbets says:
05/26/11 01:04AM

Which sportsbook?

rangerz2478 says:
05/26/11 02:56AM


So let me get this straight...

You are on a GAMBLING FORUM, and you are telling people "it's only money."

This isn't DrPhil.com. You don't know how much money/how much this money means to people. For all you know, some of these people rely on this money to pay the bills.

Cmon man.
esplanade says:
05/26/11 12:17AM


Do you have diarrhea? At the least, you are very boring?

esplanade says:
05/25/11 03:32PM
Worrying about your ungraded wagers right now is akin to fretting about what shoes to wear while running to the life boats on the Titanic.
A better worry is whether you'll ever see dime one of your balance.
esplanade says:
05/25/11 04:20PM


They wanted it to work so that could make money, conversely those of us with accounts there already HAD money in those accounts. Slight difference.
esplanade says:
05/25/11 04:38PM


You just can't restrain yourself can you, f'n bigot. Pure piece of feces.
alling says:
05/25/11 08:42PM

not all sites were target by the government and Beted is the only one to shut down. 
earl1932 says:
05/25/11 03:28PM
I was issued 2 $500.00 withdrawls, but never received them. I have a balance of $1800.00

I am 79 years old with a very limited income.

I have been a member of betED for several years....truly I am not ahead of betED, hope I recover what is due me.

ballatore21 says:
05/25/11 06:20PM
Has anybody had any luck with the charge back? Please let us know if its worth doing?
BigRick3199 says:
05/25/11 03:19PM
So my balance on beted was roughly 3K, I had made a deposit over the weekend as a result of their 100% bonus. After reading Lou's post about everyones money being gone I called my bank and disputed the charge. Now I read that Covers is going to get our funds back? Would my chargeback just be deducted from my balance or cause me to forfeit my entire balance? Assuming we see a dime of the funds seized. Seems a little hard to believe that covers could have access to what our balances were at the time of the seizure. Another issue i'm wondering about is bets placed that day. I know a lot of people had money on the Dal game on mon, myself included. I doubt if those would have been graded when they were shut down. 

Thoughts?  
papagunnz says:
05/25/11 06:21PM


well you wouldnt look bad if you didnt fabricate a list of fraudulent books to recommend to players.... you had to of known boasting a book like BetED as your num 1 was gonna come back and smack you in the face...and now your gonna hear the heat about it, and you should!! you lost a LOT of people a LOT of money all because they trusted YOU and your "list"
sunset says:
05/25/11 09:33PM
good luck with the government, when your dealing with government the chances of getting your money back is very slim or it would be a very very long process.

To my understanding once the government seizes something it stays there for good!!

Good luck covers and sorry for all players who lost there money!!

bettor2win says:
05/25/11 08:40PM
Its not covers or EVEN BetEds fault. I had an account there. Lost my ass but WE all knew the gov was shitty. It was only a matter of time. 
bettor2win says:
05/25/11 08:22PM
Thanks covers team. I didn't lose much but I was up 150% in baseballthis year. I cannot stand our hypocritical government. Freakin bastards! Please keep us informed on how to go about getting our money back if possible.

Also, hey, US Officials! You dumb bastards, you want to extradite people outside our country for website gambling?? Go after the "fly by night" websites who close down and take our US money. Don't chase honest companies just because you can't tax our dollar. FUCK YOU GOVERNTMENT!

LiquidSword says:
05/25/11 08:01PM
http://www.justice.gov/usao/md/Public-Affairs/press_releases/press08/OperatorsofInternetGamblingSitesandTheirBusinessesIndicted.html

They weren't caught in a sting. They were laundering money, ALLEGEDLY.

LiquidSword says:
05/25/11 06:36PM
If they are closed, it means they were doing something wrong; probably using shady payment processors like the poker sites were.

GL getting everyones money back, it sounds nice, but there is really NOTHING you can do.

SnotBoogy says:
05/25/11 06:55PM
Freedom/Lou,

if you guys are going to fight on behalf of us who got jacked in this, how do yo envision the government figuring out who is owed what? My god this entire thing just gives me a headache.
TheU3221 says:
05/25/11 05:44PM
King Coebra is a LOSER, no matter who recommends who, the U.S. Govt. said a couple weeks ago they were goin after sportsbooks next, U should of made a Good Business Decision like I did & took my $ out of my sportsbooks, dont blame Lou or Covers, cause u were Greedy & Stupid & did not Heed the Warning, back 2 the Local bookies where u know where your $ really is, HAHA Queen Coebra, U LOSE U LOSER !!!!
acampbell3 says:
05/25/11 06:37PM
Worse than losing $700 or even $1500, they still have all your bank account info if you were using Instant Check, including and image of your Driver's License and signature.

I highly recommend you close your account immediately. Then all we have to worry about is identity theft!!

acampbell3 says:
05/25/11 06:42PM
EMPTY your own bank account boys!!...BEFORE betED does....then close your bank account, and to be extra careful. take all your personal banking to a completely different bank.
acampbell3 says:
05/25/11 06:33PM
This whole betED thing smells bad. On Friday May 20, betED sent out a 100% bonus sportsbook offer with an 8x rollover. I thought 100% was too good too be true. They probably received a few hundred grand in new deposits into their Costa Rica bank accounts in response to this offer. They had just enough time to move the money to a Cayman Islands (or somewhere similiar) bank before the Feds shut them down and confiscated what little money might have been left behind in Costa Rica.
Stiln says:
05/25/11 04:56PM
Says the zionist,,,

Whether you lost 200, 5 grand or 700 we're all in the same boat,,,, So chill the fuck out
Stiln says:
05/25/11 04:20PM


Why would  the government single out a group of books? It seems pretty rational to think that beted was engaged in some illegal practices that the US government is now dealing with,,,,Beteds unprofessionalism is part of the reason rod jewstein is prosecuting this book and not the other costa rican books or Jamaican books etc....
bobbywaves says:
05/25/11 05:24PM
I have to question why Covers would hype BetEd in the 1st place. BetEd was a C rated book at best according to www.sportsbookreview.com, a very trusted site by many. I also have to question why people would deposit with BetEd without doing their own homework at the aforementioned site. There are many A rated books out there that would have been a way better choice than BetEd. Do your own homework people, don't rely on website recommendations.
WVBEST says:
05/25/11 03:57PM

I HOPE YOUR WRONG.........................

WVBEST says:
05/25/11 03:30PM

Like many said i only deposited to beted.com cause you guys had them recommended number 1!! Now they OWE me BIG and really need this money......... I hope your right and this PROBLEM gets FIXED ASAP!!!!

ethanallen1991 says:
05/25/11 07:35PM
THE US GOVERNMENT SEIZED THE MONEY IN PLAYERS ACCOUNTS SO BetED couldnt run off with OUR money.  Who you gonna trust MORE in this situation??  BetED lawyers , or the US Government ??
germs says:
05/25/11 05:08PM
I got screwed for $950. Second time this year a book takes my money.
rudeboy71 says:
05/25/11 06:21PM
What about affiliates who are owed commissions?
redmenrule says:
05/25/11 06:05PM
The only thing I disagree with you on is you saying that a chargeback is the wrong thing to do in this situation(and this situation only).  I could be wrong but I am guessing a chargeback is disputing the charge so that the book does not get the money from the credit card company.  If the money would go either to the government due to the seized accounts or the Beted execs running to the hills what would be wrong with that in this event?  I may be missing something though.
redmenrule says:
05/25/11 04:28PM
It is horrible for all the people that lost money and I am sympathetic but don't blame Covers, they are just trying to give accurate information.  Nobody is right all the time, just look at the forums, and Covers could only report on information they were told.  Unfortunately, in this situation it appears like misinformation.  Don't think for a second that Covers (the business or the people) is happy with this.  Everyone needs to be vigilant going forward and if you are going to keep money in an online account it might be wise to spread it out and only keep in what you could afford to miss.  Remember, a local book could be arrested, die, refuse to pay, etc. so nothing is guaranteed in life.  I think we all want to thank the American government for doing there best to protect us from ourselves.
LVTruck says:
05/25/11 07:33PM
Can't blame Covers,,, Doing the best they can,,, knowing this Fed sweep was coming was not on anyone radar,,, this is the start of US control,, Covers will get AD dollars form

Vegas,,,,

Love covers,, best site around,,,

hope they can get AD dollars,,, Been here since Wagerline,,,

BOL in a tuff time.

HOFDEG says:
05/25/11 03:33PM
DOJ let pokerstars players cashout...  n im pretty sure FTP players will be seeing there money soon once ftp gets there accounting together.  With time, I would expect balances to be returned to the players by the DOJ.  I guess for now I gotta find a book/agent or just keep very small amounts online :(  
stef53 says:
05/25/11 04:12PM

New to this forum but have been down the street for many years. Recreational player here. yeah I am getting bitten for a few hundred on this. I see alot of trashing of beted and that we were stupid to play there, but they were a conveniet sportsbook. The instant check deposit and withdrawls is what really brought me there and never had a problem with any deposit or withdrawl.

Lets not forget our real ENEMY in all this. It would be business as usual if not for our F------ government.

And to those government officials who we know are reading these forums on a daily basis go remedy something that is important. We do this by choice with our money.

ivwed says:
05/25/11 04:17PM
I am low on the totem pole too but I took the COVERS recommendation too for the bonus and I would have cashed out last week but I was close to fufilling my bonus obligation. Now.. I am screwed.
StuMiller says:
05/25/11 08:04PM
Covers,

This is my first forum post, but I have been utilizing your site for many years and I don't make a bet without consulting it first. I am an avid sports bettor but I'm of modest means, married with two kids.

And I had a balance with betEd (about $175) and switched to them from other books because of the Covers recommendation. I've had three other books that slowpay, and what good is it if you can't get money when you earn it?

So I appreciate Covers going to bat and attempting to get us our money back. Please advise as to how that will happen if it can happen.

BlaiseElias says:
05/25/11 10:51PM
Hey Guys, new here. I too had an account with BetED on the advise of the Covers.com recomendation. I signed up in Jan. and was up $2600 in their Casino before unexplicably losing $500 or so. I thought something was getting fishy there and was about to close my account when I saw their 100% promotion. I thought about it for a couple of days and decided that I was going to lay down $250 to get that $250 bonus, but saw the dreaded screen of death on their site. So, I was strangly fortunate to dodge that one.

As for the Fed giving back peoples account money, I don't see it. There were millions of dollars that the US govn't just pocketed, though it probably cost them over a million to run this sting. But the government's main motivation here is to punish people, specifically American online gamblers. This is a way to punish you and me for participating in this 'illegal and immoral activity'. And with the government selling thier office furniture to pay their debts, I seriously don't think they are going to refund anything.

superbeets says:
05/28/11 12:22AM
I have sit back long enough on this issue..

First off--  I'm a straight shooter that doesn't care what any one person thinks about me that includes you guys, covers or anyone for that matter.  BUT what bothers me is the comments about COVERS being behind this whole bullshit situation.  One thing that I can tell you is FACT is that I have NEVER seen anything to hint at the fact of BETED going "down".....and when I say that I refer to stuff that you guys cant see (our admin pages).  I think the whole situation is very screwed up and do NOT wish it on anyone.  I have been in this situation before and it sucks fucking ass.  I had a bookie run off with a couple g's and it stung my ass BAD but I didnt blame anyone but myself.  I was the dummy for being too "loose".  I got friendly with this guy instead of keeping it all business.  A LESSON LEARNED.  The point im getting at is COVERS (to my knowledge) at no prior knowledge of this.  I never saw LOU, RIZ or any of the other guys even hint this.  THAT IS 100% FACT.  People who really know me understand how real of a person I am so I have NO reason to lie.  Some people on this site do not like me but everyone knows that im a VERY open person and I do NOT bullshit around and this is NO different.

LOU and RIZZO and COVERS TEAM do alot for you guys.  They are always looking out to see if they can get members "hooked up".. We as linesmen dont even get half the stuff you guys do.  So to ever question the integrity of these "screen names" is horseshit IMO.  The long time members know what Im talking about. 

In closing--  Let up a little fellas and look at the whole picture.  COVERS did not  try and hurt the members who keep this site running.  Why would they ?  Without you guys , we are NOTHING.  Yes BETED payed advertising but without you guys we wouldnt need advertising.  You see what I mean ?  Its not smart "business" to kill away the members who we need in order to keep this place the leading sports wagering website.

I know some may say "its easy for you to say because you didnt lose money" --- YES that is fact but I have been in your shoes before.  It happens in this industry.  I know very few gamblers who have never been bullshitted around.  Im also not trying to downplay the whole BETED thing because I too think its bullshit.  BUT I ask you guys to please understand that COVERS would never hurt any of its members on purpose.

Thanks for listening and im very sorry for any person who is having to go through this.  Gamblers are very smart people so I bet most of you guys will hit the ground running and bust the bookies ass tomorrow...lol

Gilberto says:
05/27/11 09:50PM

Damn you either work for Covers or you SWALLOW BIG TIME

HermosaBch says:
05/26/11 07:42AM
I feel bad for any Beted bettors as this is surely a stressful experience.

I appreciate covers in stepping forward to try and do what the can to help.

Hopefully, bettors will receive monies someday, but its unlikely all will.

The local bookie may be the safest way to bet. Always try and keep your account balances low to insure you dont lose alot of funds like this. Deposit small amounts and withdraw quickly after big winning streaks. I know the fees will hurt your bottom line but its like insurance.

1.) Staying out of jail

2.) Paying their lawyers to reduce criminal charges, fines and settlements to big sis

3. Getting as much money they can out of their bank accounts/investments etc.

to pay themselves and reduce the impact of personal loss income.

4.) Secure enough cash to start another operation/website without US bettors

5.) Payback non-US bettorrs owed money and the possibiliy of retaining some those customers.

HermosaBch says:
05/26/11 07:43AM
the above list is the beted owners priorities right now.
robertg says:
05/26/11 02:49PM

Im very sorry anyone lost any money, but if you look at the covers sportsbook ratings, they have always been a huge joke.  And if you played at any decent books you would sureley realize beted was piss poor book.

I'm not trying not take all blame away from covers, but really if you see all the jazette books rated in the top 10, it doesn't take a genius to realize that advertising dollars determine the top 10.

I would be curious to know if Beted stiffed covers on advertising dollars?

LRM704 says:
05/27/11 10:03PM
  Gilberto, you are starting to disappoint me.

We have no history of disagreement ever.

Don't work for Covers, just a fan of the website, as for the swallowing  DONT EVEN GO THERE

LRM704 says:
05/27/11 08:47PM

it wasn't a scam. It was a sting by the US government.

 

LRM704 says:
05/27/11 11:30PM
I guess you're home   
LRM704 says:
05/28/11 01:02AM

Thanks Superbeets,   You said it better than I ever did. 

 

and this one is for the entire Covers website 

MRSARATOGA says:
05/28/11 01:00AM

Good Post.......recommending sportsbooks is a tricky situation because anything really can happen. I think that the hyerarchy needs to revisit the "recommendation" approach.  Saying stuff like "you don't have to worry about so and so, they pay" is really untrue.  They may pay but if they get squeezed by the feds they ain't payin! And that is no fault of Covers.

i-fuck-on-the-f says:
05/27/11 11:35PM


No thanks.

I would prefer to cease all contact with you, starting right now.

Good luck to you.
i-fuck-on-the-f says:
05/27/11 11:25PM
You're not allowed to speak anything other than English on Covers.com.

You may want to apologize before you end up getting boxed.


i-fuck-on-the-f says:
05/27/11 11:14PM


Lou talked about the owner, and therefore I asked who he was.

Don't read too much into it, dude.
i-fuck-on-the-f says:
05/27/11 10:12PM


So tell me.

Feel free to PM me if you'd like.
i-fuck-on-the-f says:
05/27/11 09:57PM


Who is the owner of Covers?
i-fuck-on-the-f says:
05/27/11 10:33PM


I bashed Covers?

Link me and I will apologize.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me who the owner is, if you don't know, just say, "I don't know".
i-fuck-on-the-f says:
05/27/11 10:39PM
i-fuck-on-the-f says:
05/27/11 10:55PM
Now I understand why LVTruck was under the assumption I was bashing Covers.

English isn't his first language.


mdfireman says:
06/08/11 12:17AM
Hmmmm.. Sounds like the similar promise from Bet on Sports closing down which no one has yet to receive anything but 3rd party information that they still are efforting to get money to the clients. Oh, it's NOT the original amount in the accounts either! It's like $1 per $100 coming back. PATHETIC!!
killakrzydav says:
05/26/11 04:50PM


No it doesn't.  You can deduct your losses only up to your winning amount yet you still pay taxes on your winnings.  I would highly advise you to pay taxes on you winnings regardless of these new developments.
Lippsman says:
05/30/11 01:42PM

The site you are talking about accepts advertising dollars from books also. So since you posted about this certain site, how in the world can they have Bodog an A book ???

Is there any way you can explain that ?  Anyway at all ?

Doesn't that make you think just a bit ?

Now Lou will tell you that in no way am I a rubber stamp for this site. Lou and I have had our rounds about certain books a few times. Some I ended up saying I told you so and some he ended up saying..see they were not as bad as you said they were.

I can tell you 100% that Freedom and Lou had no idea what was going to happen.  They were in the dark like everyone else. We don't know all the details yet and probably won't until some deals are cut or something goes to trail.

Websites like this do take advertising dollars from books..all websites like this takes advertising dollars.  If they didn't they would be out of business. And yes, you could look at it from a standpoint of a conflict of interest.  But when the U.S. goverment gets into the pot there really isn't a damn thing you can do.  BetEd was very solid from a money standpoint.  The thing that dinged them rating wise on other websites was sometimes they seemed to have a number of customer disputes. Not horrible, but more than your higher rated books.

Lou has exposed a number of problems in the industry in years past and I'm pretty sure there will be some sweeping changes he address very soon.

Lou says:
05/30/11 01:51PM
Thank Lipps. You said it all.

I'm locking this now so people can go to the RANT thread and we can keep things organized.
Lou says:
05/30/11 09:05AM
nostra,
You are correct in your theory that accepting advertising and making recommendations is a conflict of interest.

That's why you are wrong when you suggest that there actually is ANY site out there that is unbiased.

I know which site you are talking about, and trust me they are as wrapped up in advertising dollars as Covers has been. They just do it a bit differently and not as openly.
pezeveng says:
05/26/11 05:15PM
the real kick in the nuts is if the govt starts sending the IRS after winning players who didn't file their winnings.

This whole situation is fucked.
pjrez says:
05/27/11 10:49PM

If you could retype this in English, we'd appreciate it
BostonKen says:
05/27/11 05:35PM


To me, this is the most fascinating piece of information I have heard/seen since the DOJ crackdown on poker sites and the books started a few months ago.Between their lawyers and executives, not one person knew Guam was a US territory. I wonder if Puerto Rico was also considered?
kazuc says:
05/28/11 09:01AM
I appreciate Covers doing all they can to get players money back. Maybe they can work something out to get another site to take on player balances with a rollover. It's happened before in similar situations, and I'm hopeful it will happen again.

At the same time, I don't think Covers or anyone can blame this situation 100% on the US government. No betting site should have all of the players funds in US bank accounts that the US government can just take, no matter what their size. Player funds should be kept in separate accounts, with just enough in play at one time for payouts, which should be nowhere near 100% of all costs. Even in this case, I have a hard time believing BetEd lost every dime to their name, and had no European customers, or no money saved for Moneybrooker or Neteller payments, or any profits stashed away somewhere else. Could a lot of their money been taken away? Sure. But all of it? I'm skeptical. And if that in fact was the case, Covers had absolutely no business recommending them as their top shop. Going forward I hope Covers not only makes good on their promise, but also re-evaluates how they recommend sites. If I were running a site like this one, one of my absolutely top evaluating criteria would be that that book had segregated accounts, so that player funds are not at risk. And if the book is too small to afford that? They should never be top-ranked in the first place.
nostradamus12 says:
05/28/11 09:36AM

there's only one independent sportsbook review site, i guess based on other posts we're not supposed to mention (not sure why) although most vets probably aware of it, other new to business could try google...covers or any company recommending advertisers products is not independent, several of us made posts a couple years ago that the top 10 recommended list was not close to accurate vs independent review, believe BetEd was C+ even before last week, honestly had never heard of them before advertising, have a feeling the owners have access to majority of the funds to give back to players and went into hiding, even so smart solid books keep their (and players) money in many inaccessible accounts and smallest possible with payment processors so would only take a small hit (and no hit for players)

About the equivalent of the government war on drugs chopping down 25 cannabis plants in the Kentucky backwoods, offshore is anotherr war the incompetent governement will never win and going broke (already there) wasting money on things like this

dawsonfong says:
05/28/11 01:30AM
Thank you covers. Now I have a tiny bit of chance to get my money back. I have a little over 2 grands in my account, I have been wondering who I should ask to get my money back, and now here you are. Thanks, and I sure hope that you can help us with our money. Please let me know if you need any information about my account.

On a side note, now that betED has gone, any recommendation on which book to use for online gambling?

Appreciate it!
beaner3445 says:
05/26/11 08:18PM

You all should go watch the Youtube video just posted-

Puts this whole covers crew through the ringer

"They have no more money, the government has it all"

BULL SHIT! Watch the video and you'll see what i mean-

Covers in was in bed so to speak with BETED-and now they are just pussy footing around things-

That money is gone, and covers directed players to a crap book that they knew had no liquidity

nepatriots_12 says:
05/27/11 04:39PM
I think the big problem here is they were Covers #1 recommended book when they were clearly 10-15 books better than them...but again, that isn't Covers fault...anyone with half a brain cell would have done some research and deposited in a better book.
esplanade says:
05/26/11 11:45AM
USA............USA...............USA

You're killing it dude.
jgo22 says:
05/27/11 09:52AM
thats what happens when you bet with a crap book
alling says:
05/26/11 06:48PM

Exactly its not the governments fault Beted broke US laws and cost Beted customers to have concerns they may lose their bankroll. Its Beteds fault.
UsaSurfer says:
05/26/11 10:26AM

The person who created this thread is a terrible human being.  He is trying to push all responsibility away from covers and beted, and onto the US government.

If BetEd was a credibile book, they could have avoided this.  If Covers.com wasn't a joke, they would not have recommended BetEd as a #1 book.

Covers made hundreds of thousands of dollars in advertising money from a poor sportsbook, and gave them a top rating in exchange.  BetEd made millions of dollars from all of it's customers.  Everyone got rich, except for the little guy who visits this site and trusted it's recommendations.  Covers.com should never be trusted ever again.

UsaSurfer says:
05/26/11 10:28AM

rPuck, I sent you a friend request, would love to message you if you have the time.

Hawkbet says:
05/28/11 07:05PM
Why's everyone so pissed at covers and beted?  It's a shame we can't bet with are own hard earned money that most have already paid taxes on and these mf's still want a piece of any winnings.  Although most of us degenerates have been in the red most of our lives.  Just legalize online gambling and  let us have are moment of entertainment you govt. fucks.
unclebruce says:
05/30/11 06:00AM
 
kram2292 says:
05/26/11 01:45PM
Killa you made a good point. Why is the poker room still up? ANYONE????????
Kid_Rio says:
05/26/11 11:12PM

Lets get fucking real.

Covers is BetEd. 

They get a percentage + ads.  BetEd was a sorry ass rookie outfit.  I could write their software in a week. 

tlml1899 says:
05/30/11 12:09PM

 

Then why does covers.com continue to do it?

buxwin says:
05/27/11 07:40PM

Accepting advertising for a product and then endorsing and recommending that same product is unethical and any consumer should be skeptical of this practice. 

Instead of all the BS from covers, I would like to know what if any due diligance covers did on BETed, before endorsing and recommending this book.  Seems to me covers thought they were nice people and BETed paid them a lot of fees and got the endorsement and recommendation.  If this is not true, pleae feel free to show us documented evidence othewise.

BTW I did not get caught up in this scam.

 

 

jumba13462 says:
05/26/11 03:03PM
anyone have info on who owns beted and address?
SnotBoogy says:
05/26/11 09:20AM

yeah but chief, they also know how much you've LOST at the sportsbook, which covers most people on here.
SnotBoogy says:
05/28/11 01:30AM
I get that we don't have reason to be irate at covers. but they still pimped a book (as numero uno) that obviously practiced somewhat shaky business practices, and ran away without even contacting their customers. 

That's a fact.
rpuck1 says:
05/26/11 08:06AM

sorry folks but the feds can seize the records and begin going after players.....its called tax evasion....one friend here just got out of prison for 3 years in a fed pen for the same offense....

i reccommend you start a legal defense fund if you won money and never put it on your taxes as income.....

Feds are pricks....

TheU3221 says:
05/26/11 07:40PM
I never heard so much from Idiots in my life, everytime some1 refers u something & it doesnt workout that doent make the person that made the referral responsible, U guys r Idiots cause the Warning signs were there, I took all my $ out of every acct. early this year when the rumors started to swirl, go back to the local guy, u know exactly where your $ is, Do u people remeber BetUSA, they were the Largest in the world 10 yrs ago, know 1 even close in size, the Govt got em, & they r going after Sportsbook.com & Bet Us next, if u r doing anything offshore, your fault, I amazes at the STUPIDITY of U gamblers !!!
bobbywaves says:
05/26/11 08:45PM
Cant't find the video, can you post the link?
bobbywaves says:
05/26/11 04:32PM

I wasn't ignorant to deposit with BetEd, because of my due dilligence utilizing the SBR ratings. However I have to agree with poster King Coebra & can understand his frustration.

Bet Ed is either lieing & stole the majority of money, or they were seriously underfunded. BetEd should have never been endorsed let alone rated #1 by Covers, who didn't do their homework & due dilligence. BetEd doesn't lose all their money from just one processor going down. Companies utilize multiple processors & have their $$$ spread out, not in one basket: Please refer to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRWM0hqDbg

bobbywaves says:
05/26/11 05:44PM

Because Bookmaker doesn't keep $$$ in US banks. They're much smarter than that which is demonstrated by their new ag domain, which the US government can't touch.  

 

claude_gir0ux says:
05/27/11 02:14AM

Shawnmenom says:
05/27/11 07:52PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRWM0hqDbg
wchowdip says:
05/26/11 08:59PM
I tried to find the video as well and it said that the video was taken down, a link to the video if it is still there would be appreciated.
LVTruck says:
05/26/11 09:06PM
You may be correct,, but calling those two guy's experts is a joke, the site you reference, how to they make there money, Ad dollars,from books, Same,Same and the site is a very similar type company so i guess you can take it for what it's worth, that site sells 1 dollar picks, money comes from Offshore and i assume they know very little about the book they advertise,,just a thought  
LVTruck says:
05/26/11 09:08PM
I type and write poorly, but i think you get the idea.
LVTruck says:
05/26/11 11:14PM

Gambling911.com is learning that BetED.com principals nearly entered the US and were apprehended by federal officials.  Last minute shoulder surgery stopped the process.

So why on Earth would anyone from the online gambling sector dare to enter the United States post 2006 when a series of high profile arrests of operators made everyone think twice about their travel plans?

Well, it turns out the principals in BetED may have had little idea they were about to enter the US.

One of the seized bank accounts was located in Guam.  Many people have no clue that Guam is actually a US territory, the folks behind BetED.com included.  And that is apparently where they were headed. 

The US Attorney’s Office out of Baltimore set up an elaborate sting operation that lured BetED.com into its trap.  They opened a phony payment solutions company that transferred over $30 million in gambling transactions on behalf of the online gambling company.  On Monday, the BetED.com domain was seized, its two founders - Darren William Wright and David Parchomchuk – were indicted, and the company officially closed its Costa Rican-based office Wednesday. 

The Baltimore office may have struck out a second time in regard to the gambling sting we are learning.

As for BetED.com customers, they appear to be the biggest losers in all of this, at least for now.

Eventually they should be able to file claims with the US Attorney’s Office, similar to what happened when a popular payment processor, NETeller, had funds seized by the US Government in 2006.  That process took approximately nine months, however. 

- Christopher Costigan, Gambling911.com Publisher



LVTruck says:
05/27/11 08:49PM
LVTruck says:
05/27/11 08:55PM

Thanks for that,, you bring so much to the table,,
LVTruck says:
05/27/11 10:03PM
Covers.com is ranked #6,138 in the world according to the three-month Alexa traffic rankings. The site has been online for more than fifteen years the owner are east to find out ....but why,, Just think WHY would f,,, us

LVTruck says:
05/27/11 10:26PM
Member since 2000
18575 post and you bash covers,, just not right,

just mt option Dr Phil
LVTruck says:
05/27/11 10:53PM
I phone ,,,, fat thumbs sorry , i think you understand 
LVTruck says:
05/27/11 11:01PM
Pjrez,, I'll be home soon, we can cover this 
LVTruck says:
05/27/11 11:03PM
Then why the who is the owner of covers shit
LVTruck says:
05/27/11 10:45PM
so i guess my question is ,, 
why would a company with so much tragic that could get mass AD bucks from many books.. fuc8 us ,,,,and you said who owns covers 

is that a indication that they are something  other then what is perceived,,, that how i take it,,,,
LVTruck says:
05/27/11 10:35PM
I don't know".
LVTruck says:
05/27/11 11:15PM
non hai mai posto ascolti, perché tu fai schifo, sei come la mia opzione in culo tutti i vostri post mi inducono a credere la tua donna, perché siete qui, vai a farti fottere tu portare niente al tavolo.
LVTruck says:
05/27/11 11:17PM
il mio nome è veto in modo da non chiamarmi dude
LVTruck says:
05/27/11 11:23PM
io sono a casa adesso hai rotto cazzo, parlare di più merda
LVTruck says:
05/27/11 11:39PM
let's take it to the box Dr phil


LVTruck says:
05/27/11 11:45PM
Millions so you say 20k a week for 5 years 
you don't need the circle
LVTruck says:
05/27/11 11:51PM
JOEY
LVTruck says:
05/27/11 11:33PM
you would know,, have you ever posted a play,, what do you bring to the table,, penalty box post ,,questions of the day BS
you rub me the wrong way,, and if you would like to take it to the box,, I tell you why your BS comments about COVER owners hurt this  site not help DR PHIL  
LVTruck says:
05/28/11 01:18AM
That all I was trying to say but English is my second Language DR PHIL.
LVTruck says:
05/28/11 01:29AM
BTW joey talking shit about covers will get you boxed 


sfagersten says:
05/26/11 08:28PM
Rule number 1 of sports investing..... NEVER wager what you cannot afford to lose.......
jlyttle says:
05/28/11 12:28AM

A++ post....anyone who thinks otherwise if an idiot
jlyttle says:
05/28/11 12:11AM
ummm.....i think millions is REALLY pushing it...lmfao
Jonny_S says:
05/26/11 07:08PM
"It wasn't their fault. They got entrapped by a sting run by the American government."

They are completely innocent! I mean, it's not like they were running an illegal gambling operation or something...they were just at the wrong place at the wrong time ;-)

Jonny_S says:
05/26/11 07:53PM
The problem is that whenever someone tries to warn people about those kind of things, he is insulted and ridiculed for even suggesting that there could be a problem. When the shit hits the fan, it's those same donkeys that claimed that it couldn't happen and that anyone who suggested otherwise was stupid that cry the loudest!
justnsane6 says:
05/26/11 11:19PM
I made a request for payout a while ago from BetED and received an email that the withdrawal had been processed and would take up to 10 business days for the transaction to show up on my account... this email was received on Sunday morning, 5/22, which was a few days before the site officially shut down. Would I be receiving my money!?
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