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CNBC covers online gambling payments

By FreedomAtStake | View all Posts
Posted Thursday, July 24, 2008 01:27 PM   11 comments
Last week, CNBC's SportsBiz correspondent, Darren Rovell, blogged about the problems online gamblers are having collecting their online winnings.

The short piece covered Jim McDermott's proposed legislation to regulate online gambling, as well as rumors that people were not getting paid.

At the end of the post, he requested some reader feedback.

Well, this week he followed up with some reader feedback, as well as an interview with Alwyn Morris, from Morris Mohawk, who explained why it is taking Bodog users up to 40 days to get paid.

Morris does a nice job of explaining the problems - which I will get into myself in a forthcoming post - but I'm not sure if anybody can truly be pleased with the situation.

Anyway, I'm just glad that Rovell and CNBC are not afraid to talk about an issue that undoubtedly affects a lot of their viewers, but other mainstream media outlets still shy away from.

Nice work, CNBC!

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LogansSportsGuy says:
07/24/08 02:37PM
I've met Darren Rovell a number of times; good guy and he's done some very good work.

Saratoga -- I understand your point, but respectfully disagree. The entire industry (including the bingo and poker space) has had a terrible time with payments in and out this year, and this is a direct result of legislative changes in the United States. I think your suggestion that each company shouldnt continue to take bets is unrealistic, and i think a majority of customers would disagree with you (especially in the poker space). You make it sound as if players are forced to wager online. Players want the convenience of playing online, and unfortunately, have had to deal with the same problems all of the operators are dealing with this year.

That said, all of these companies are working very hard to allow players more ways to deposit, and faster withdrawals -- but closing their businesses while doing this is obviously not a solution for anyone. I dont know the bodog people, but they are obviously very smart, and didnt choose to have payment problems.

LogansSportsGuy says:
07/24/08 03:13PM
I don't doubt he really means what he says...its not hard for them to think that way (that all payments are made, just late, because of industry payment issues), when they look at their billion dollar bank account.

I think you are assuming that bodog is purposely delaying withdrawals -- and I feel that is not how they do business (i cant believe the day came where i defended bodog!).

analyzer says:
07/24/08 03:15PM
I haven't taken money out of any my accounts in over 12 months for fear of having problems. I have 2 active accounts and just don't want the hassle of trying to get the money out. Saratoga is right in that deposits have never been an issue and placing bets hasn't either but I sure do see a hell of a lot of posts regarding withdrawals taking an enternity. As a matter of fact when is the last time you saw a thread in the forum entitled "Can't make a deposit".

Sure I've seen some where people can't fund with a CC or something like that but ultimately if you want to put money into an account you'll generally get that accomplished in 24 hours. So 1 day to put it in vs. 40+ to get it out.

I appreciate the CNBC piece - maybe it will shed some lite on this. Regulation is the proper mechanism to fix some of these things as much as I hate to say it. Until then I'll keep staying disciplined and hopefully won't worry about withdrawals until I have enough to fly to Costa Rica and get it myself in person!

analyzer says:
07/24/08 03:17PM
BTW - lite should be LIGHT ~~ maybe I need a "lite" about right now
K_Z_Z_A88 says:
07/24/08 04:06PM
I would really like to know just what resources are being put in by the gov't to make this law so effective, and why is it only working to keep the books from paying but not keeping us from depositing.  AS it's suppose to.  I've read all this stuff and I agree with most of it, but the bottom line is this, if a sportsbook can get my money in less than the amount of time that it takes me to hit the enter key, then those same sportsbooks ARE OBLIGATED to get me whatever few winnings I get to me in less than a week.  Anything less than that shouldn't be excepted on any level by the customers.  If it isn't that simple, the books with these "payout issues" should take the time to fully and clearly explain what the gov't is doing to prevent them from writing a check, mailing it to me, and making sure that the funds are there when I run the check through the bank.  I think every person with a complaint on here is at least entitled to that.
LogansSportsGuy says:
07/24/08 04:56PM
KZ, the primary goal of the bill, in the short-term, was to create a 'chilling effect' across capital markets and the banking sector. Not only did public companies such as Neteller have to pull out of the market, but others were forced to delist and/or cease all operations. Foreign banks pulled out of the industry, domestic payment  closed shop, and most payment providers (both cards in and checks out) disappeared. Its less about "resources" as it is the effect the bill has had on the banking sector ie. no one will work with the industry anymore.
bej0101 says:
07/24/08 09:36PM
bodog sucks..why can we deposit but not get paid ?YET, at alot of other sites i have no problem getting paid??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FreedomAtStake says:
07/24/08 10:18PM
KZ,

I'm going to be covering that very question - because it is so common - in a couple of days.

Short answer: Depositing and payment are two very different processes and require different partners.

You can't re-deposit somebody's winnings back onto their credit card - without causing more problems.

So while getting your money to the books is possible via many different methods - and disguising the payment is pretty easy - but there are only a few ways to actually create a valid check that will work when you deposit it in your bank account.

It requires a lot of negotiations with different companies that are often less than willing to do business with you - for fear of the government - and are very twitchy and quick to cut off the valve at the first sign of trouble.

Otherwise, there are the shifty guys who are very eager to take your business - and the half a million dollar deposit - and then take off with that money the first chance they get.

Like I said... short answer... but I'll have more in a few days.
HeadOverHeart says:
08/01/08 01:19AM
Sportsinteraction's e-check withdrawal option is down indefinitely.  Weeks or months said the online help girl. 
doggs says:
08/01/08 11:58AM
It has been a long time since I bet with the local book, but it looks like that is where things are headed.  Kind of reminds of me of the old days, which to me, weren't so bad.  If the US wants to shut this down completely, go ahead, you will just now have an old problem rising back up.  Either way damned if they do or damned if they don't.  I guess you have to pick your poison. 

 

Online gambling certainly is convenient and you have access to so many different bets.  But I sort of missed that interaction with my local book.  Meeting for breakfast and making exchanges.  Sometimes good and sometimes not so good.  It is amazing to me that most of the entire world allows it, but we don't.  Our country really does seem like it is headed to the NFW (No Fun World).  I don't understand why it has to be that way.  Somewhere out there we have too many anal people controlling things, and unfortunately it will only get worse.   

mooseydee says:
11/04/08 08:28PM
has anyone experienced having their book ask them to provide a valid id and bill to prove their addresses to the processor and to comply with UIGEA before they can issue a check to you
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