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60 Minutes to Cover Online Poker this Sunday

By FreedomAtStake | View all Posts
Posted Wednesday, November 26, 2008 02:57 PM   12 comments
Uh-oh.

Last March, I did a post about how the 60 Minutes crews were interviewing online poker players and digging into the cheating scandal at Absolute Poker. A few months later, another scandal broke out at UltimateBet, which happened to be owned by the same company.

At the time, I thought the results of the investigation would be televised shortly.

I was wrong about that, and over the ensuing months I gradually forgot all about the story. I kinda figured that maybe 60 Minutes shelved the story.

Not so.

According to CBS, they will be broadcasting that story this Sunday. You can see a preview of the story here.

As you will see from the clip, this does not look like your run of the mill puff-piece. They are going to talk about the cheating. In detail.

Frankly, I don't know whether to be ecstatic or very scared.

On the one side, this is a story that needs to be told. Not only is it an interesting story about smart people using their brains to solve a crime that the nobody else was taking seriously, but it also underlines a fundamental lack of security that exists at some online gaming companies.

On the other hand, this lack of control is not an industry-wide issue, and I am afraid that some shrill voices will take these isolated incidents and use them to promote their idea of prohibition.

Ideally, the ultimate result will be something in the middle.

Frankly, we DO need some more security oversight over the industry.

The fact that the management of Absolute Poker and UltimateBet allowed these events to occur and the Kahnawake Gaming Commission did so little in the form of punishment shows that the free market is not working in this situation.

Neither site really suffered for the scandals. Both are thriving and I am pretty sure that most of their current customers have no idea about the situation.

So hopefully, this publicity leads to some debate about the need for regulation - not prohibition.

If that is the result, then this is definintely a great thing for the industry.

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nevadaeasy says:
11/26/08 04:06PM
Online poker is Fixed? Then why do I play so much!!
yossarrian30 says:
11/26/08 06:16PM
Hmm, sounds very interesting Nova. I like the way you write - very balanced and thoughtful. I work for a UK bookie and know how hard it is to convince people the poker is legit - usually the bad players i might add!

 

Impossible for companies to completely rid their sites of gangs trying to abuse the system with multiple logins or just simply sitting in same room together but thankfully this is still all too rare.

 

Its liek a BBC programme we had over here recently about corruption in Horse Racing. Even a long standing respected programme like BBC's Panorama completely blew the issue out of proportion and seemed very niave with its overall knowledge of the gaming industry.

 

I'd love to be able to see that 60 minutes - any ideas if it will be streamed online anywhere or be on an on demand service?

PocketJacks says:
11/26/08 08:30PM
I am for sure going to make sure I try and watch this.
MRSARATOGA says:
11/26/08 09:41PM
Woweee, nice hit freedom. That is one of the reasons why I DON'T want sports betting legal in the US. There will be talk of fixing etc by all who lose a tough game and it will put pressure on college and pro players who don't need or deserve it.

 

I have never played online poker but you have to think those are bagged for sure.  I will be tuning in. Thanks for the heads up!

FreedomAtStake says:
11/27/08 10:29AM
Thanks Saratoga.

yossarrian, I think CBS posts the full segments after the original airing on Sundays, so it "should" be up there next week.

professorkopak says:
11/27/08 02:26PM
I HAD A CHANCE TO PLAY PARTY POKER AND A MAN OFFERED TO SELL ME A PROGRAM SO THAT I COULD HAVE CHANGED MY CARDS BEFORE REVEALING THEM. I AM AN ETHICAL PERSON AND WOULD NOT PARTICIPATE. I COULD HAVE MADE 100'000 OF THOUSANDS. I ONLY PLAYED IN LOW STAKE GAMES AFTER THAT REVULATION. I EVENTUALLY QUIT THAT WHEN SOMEBODY WAS ABLE TO MOVE MY MOUSE WITHOUT ME HAVING ANY CONTROL. THE SITE DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. THE ABILITY TO CHEAT IN ONLINE POKER GAMES IS HUGE. I WILL NOT PLAY THEM EXCEPT FOR LOW STAKES. THE PROBLEM IS THE LOWER THE STAKES THE MORE A BAD PLAYER IS REWARDED. I BELIEVE THEY PROGRAM IT THAT WAY TO GET THOSE BAD PLAYERS TO GET INTO BIGGER GAMES. CERTAIN SEATS WILL ALWAYS HAVE AN ADVANTAGE. I CALL THEM THE GOLDEN SEATS. THEY WILL WIN FAR MORE OFTEN THAN THERE SHARE OF HANDS. ANY MATHEMATICIAN KNOWS THE ODDS OF HANDS CONTINUING TO WIN WHEN THE ODDS ARE HEAVILY AGAINST THEM IS REMOTE. TRUE ODDS ARE NOT A FACTOR IN ON LINE POKER. HANDS ARE CONTRIVED. IT IS NOT RANDOM. WHEN I PLAY I CAN DETECT THE RHYTHM OF THE SEAT I PLAY IN OFTEN TIMES. I OFTEN DO NOT PLAY ANY HANDS IN CERTAIN EARLY ROUNDS WHEN I AM PLAYING THE "FEEDER HANDS". ONE DAY I WAS PLAYING SOMEBODY WHO ONLY CALLED ALL HANDS. WE WERE DOWN TO JUST US 2. WE THEY WERE WINNING NEARLY EVERY HAND AND THEY WERE A TERRIBLE PLAYER. I CALLED EVERY HAND ANDI LOST 26 OF 27 HANDS. WE WERE ONLY PLAYING FOR THE ANTE. THE ODDS OF THAT ARE ASTRONIMICAL. HOW ELSE CAN A VERY DUMB PLAYER WIN UNLESS THE HANDS ARE CONTRIVED? THEY SHOULD SHOW AFTER ANY SESSION THE HANDS DEALT TO EVERYBODY. YOU WILL SEE SOME VERY PECULIAR PATTERNS. ONE SITE OFFERS A MONTH'S PLAY FOR $20. NOTHING MORE . THAT IS PROBABY THE WAY TO GO. I PLAYED POKER PROFESSIONALLY IN THE 70'S AND I KNOW ODDS AND HUMAN NATURE AS GOOD AS ANYBODY. I REFUSE TO WASTE MY HARD EARNED MONEY ON THESE SITES EVEN SO I HAVE WON A FEW TOUNAMENTS AND AM AHEAD . I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT ONE SITE JUST STARTING UP THAT A PLAYER WITH THE SAME NAME WOULD GET INTO ALL KINDS OF GAMES AT ALL KINDS OF STAKES AT ALL KINDS OF HOURS. THEY NEVER LOST AND ALMOST ALL WINNING HANDS CAME WHEN A PAIR GAME ON THE FLOP. OF COURSE IT WAS A HOUSE SEAT. NOT ONLY THAT WHEN I PLAYED A GAME ONE DAY THE SAME CARDS POPPED UP THE NEXT DAY IN A HIGHER STAKES GAME. I KNEW WHAT WAS COMING UP!!
Toddgack says:
11/28/08 11:31PM
Ya, you certainly hit that nail square on the head Prof. They set you up just to knocka, knocka, knocka you down. Same frickin' flim flam with blackjack too!
cyalx says:
11/29/08 02:21PM



nevada if u think that a online poker site that has the option to steal and rigged games and big time tournies and ring games want do it ask ur self this if u would take free money cause there is no law for them not too so if u were runnin a poker site and had 10 fckin employees like these big sites do u are telling me u wouldnt rigged these games too take free money than ur a fool cause i will always take free money and they will always take free money thats y they are worth billions stealing idiots money
3825 says:
11/30/08 04:09AM
freedom at stake,

 

thanks for your updates on the industry.

billyloco says:
11/30/08 09:06PM
My take on this story...the cheaters won and some more will do it again.
kevk87 says:
12/01/08 03:37AM
this video shows a guy cheating on absolute poker
pat_d says:
12/02/08 08:07AM
interesting story, i can't believe they got away with this
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