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The FBI wants to know what you click

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Posted Thursday, April 24, 2008 09:39 AM   12 comments

CNET posted a story yesterday that should strike fear into the hearts of all Americans.

According to the story, on Wednesday FBI Director Robert Mueller suggested to the House of Representatives Judiciary Committee that the FBI "should have a broad 'omnibus' authority to conduct monitoring and surveillance of private-sector networks" along with their current plan to "monitor traffic on federal-government networks".

This is a very scary proposition. As the article explains...

If any omnibus Internet-monitoring proposal became law, it could implicate the Fourth Amendment's guarantee of freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. In general, courts have ruled that police need search warrants to obtain the content of communication, and the federal Wiretap Act created "super warrant" wiretap orders that require additional steps and judicial oversight.

In addition, it's unclear whether "illegal activity" would be limited to responding to denial-of-service attacks and botnets, or would also include detecting other illegal activities, such as online gambling, the distribution of "obscene" images of adults engaged in sexual acts, or selling drugs without a license.

Basically, what Mueller is suggesting is blanket surveillance of the internet activities of all Americans.

Now, the point that naturally (and often rightfully) gets raised during discussions such as this is, "if you aren't doing anything wrong, what do you have to fear?"

Sorry, but that doesn't hold water in this discussion. This is a matter of personal privacy, and unless you are Paris Hilton, most people have a few personal matters that want to keep to themselves.

The beauty of the Internet is the power it gives individuals to privately research and discuss issues they might not want to publicly admit. Not to mention the ability for individuals to escape persecution, or prosecution, from antiquated laws.

For instance, did you know it is technically illegal to own more than six vibrators in Texas? It's true.

And let's not even discuss the implications this could have for honest sports gamblers in America who try to sign up at a website operated by a company operating legally in its own jurisdiction. Too bad. You are breaking the law. Go to jail.

Finally, and the most scary implication, is the opportunity it would give the FBI to abuse the information they glean off the Internet.

Here is a "for instance"...

What if you had a high school friend that used to sell you weed in university and now has evolved to be a major law enforcement target. In the meantime, you have gotten married and have kids and a good job, but you also spend a suspicious amount of time browsing gay porn. What would you do if the FBI told you that you could either testify against your old friend, or they will expose all of your Internet habits?

OK, maybe you have no love for homosexuals and can't see how that situation is bad. Well, what if they found out you were browsing sites looking for info on herpes and genital warts, and that you bought some Valtrex online - possibly without telling your wife? Would you want to deal with that situation?

Think that would never happen? Maybe you should take a look at the FBI's history while J. Edgar Hoover was running the show. And he didn't have access to one tenth of the amount of information he could amass today by monitoring people's Internet habits.

No matter how you look at it, the American system of requiring search warrants to monitor communications isn't perfect, but it is the best way to ensure your rights are protected.


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lanastasis says:
04/24/08 01:31PM
The Patriot Act already gives the government authority to observe the internet activity of domestic terrorists. And do you know how a domestic terrorist is defined?

"Anyone involved in acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the laws of the state or federal government."

So, if you jaywalk, you are considered a domestic terrorist for government purposes and can be subject to any and all surveillance tactics. Do Americans even know what language their laws contain and what abusive and totalitarian powers they possess? No, and it's a travesty this is the case.

JG33 says:
04/24/08 03:22PM
You guys actually think they will waste their time prosecuting individuals who gamble online, or having too many vibrators.  Once again, you left wingers are exaggerating things.

I would rather be searched illegally than have a terrorist be able to smuggle a bomb somewhere. 
JG33 says:
04/24/08 04:18PM
I actually find it disgusting when violent criminals get off scott free because of an illegal search.  I believe in a safe society.  I want to live a long life and my kids to live long lives.

Kujayhwk,  my son's preschool was vandalized again this weekend.  He goes to the local Jewish Community Center.  I would rather give up many of these so called individual liberties to make sure that doesn't happen again.  They know have to have security guards outside the door.  A few years ago, before my son went there, it was fire bombed.  I should have to live like that???  I want those cocksuckers shot.  I don't care what they have to do to stop it.
lonetreejj says:
04/24/08 04:41PM
JG33,

The problem lies within your perspective (or lack thereof). Its not about left wing - right wing, thats what the powers that be want!!!! They want us so divided that the power of the people, for the people doesnt exist. The fact is that for political purposes, or maybe just because you pissed somebody off- bingo, your facing illegal gambling charges.

By the way, it was not the liberals who got our once great and greatly respected country in this mess. We're friggin broke; borrowing from the Chinese & Saudis just to keep our currency afloat. Money is flowin out of our collective pockets much faster than the "tax & spend" liberals have ever managed.... AND unless you own some major shares of exxon-mobile, your losing economic value and viability like the rest of the 99.9% of us.

And, if you think your safe because of George W. ..... well thats downright naive. We've managed to produce a couple more generations of terrorists; and, lose credibility with our closest allies because of your boys' war.... not to mention the thousands of young American lives lost... and the tens of thousands of American lives ruined, for a war whose only benefit was certain COINCIDENTAL, COLLATERAL economic benefits reaped by big OIL and OIL producing nations; and certain companies that have the huge war contracts. And coincidentaly, those happen to be the closest peers to our esteemed Administration....

We are a great nation; but, we Americans must get over ourselves and admit that after 230 years, we are not immune to bad government and decision makers. We have diverged from our idealistic truths. We are a fearful nation, made up of television pacified ignorants; too full of our own material lives to see that our government is just plain bad-

We have the right to call a turd a turd, even if its the guy you voted for in the puppet suit runnin the show. Dont be to proud to admit that we buggered it up, by electing a president with a double digit IQ- TWICE.

Every one of you should be outraged if your a true American; because, in my America, the Constitutional rights that my forefathers died for, are worth dieing for... and speaking up for.

We used to hunt down and prosecute war criminals who tortured prisoners of war; now were the torturers... In many cases US Citizens, who were presumed guilty by association... and thats okay with most of you beanheads, 'cause it means your safe.... or so you've heard.

Go get some news from a source other than your TV.... get some perspective; get a friggin passport, and see that the world doesnt revolve around your little house in the suburb. Our way of life is possible because of the constitution... it wasnt meant to be compromised... and we werent meant to be a people living in fear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JG33 says:
04/24/08 04:43PM
Kujayhwk,

I don't think they will monitor everyone's phone conversations.  That would obviously take a ridiculous amount of man-hours.  They won't monitor everyone's internet activities.  They will actually monitor less than 1% of the population.  I just don't have a problem with them doing everything they can to prevent some sicko from attacking a school, office building, train station, etc....

Look, I remember reading that you lost a brother in Vietnam.  That obviously affects your thinking when it comes to wars.  Well going through the events I have affect the way I think.  My kids well being is my biggest concern.  I would make many sacrifices to ensure their safety.
lonetreejj says:
04/24/08 04:49PM
Safety over FREEDOM????????????

How UN-AMERICAN!!!!

FreedomAtStake says:
04/24/08 05:45PM
 JG33,

1% of the population? How do you know?

The only way they will be able to locate any crimes will be to sweep a pretty big broom.

And if they ever admit to 1%, then you can be sure the number is actually 5%.

Finally, the only terrorists they will catch are the stupid ones who are too stupid to disguise their conversations - and therefore are too stupid to achieve their goals anyway.

Bottom line: Lost freedoms for zero gains - and America is suddenly not nearly as great a place to live.

JG33 says:
04/24/08 05:51PM
Freedom,

Think about how many hours it would take to listen to everyone's phone conversations, monitor their web traffic, etc...  Just because they want the right to do so, doesn't mean they will.  Why would they want/need to listen to my conversations?  It would be a waste of their time.  My point is, I would gladly sacrifice some liberties in exchange for peace of mind and security.  I realize not everyone thinks like me, but that's just my opinion.
RissyGold says:
04/24/08 09:48PM
The FBI wants to know what I click....OK...

www.BushAndCheneySuck.com (for real, it does exist!)

www.WagerOnSportsAndNotTheStockMarket.com

www.MyRightToPlayPokerOnline.com

and one from my favorites: www.FixTheEconomyAndLowerGasolinePrices.gov

Why on God's Green Earth would the Government come out and start this crap when about 184,302 other things are totally out of control??

KingSerf says:
04/24/08 11:37PM
The day the Internet is policed like the real world is the same day that 1) Britney Spears joins a convent. 2) A timeline is set for the removal of our troops in Iraq. 3) The body of Jimmy Hoffa is discovered.

Kidding aside, I love the article and I am frequent follower of this issue.

However, like RissyGold subtly points out, if the government were to actually administer misdemeanors and felonies for any number of Internet violations, not only would they have to increase security staff by the thousands, but even their own employees would be found guilty of so many violations that Fox News would have to increase their gang of idiots to cover the stories.

The Internet, more than television and cinema, mirrors the beautiful and ugly world of the 21st century. But good, bad, or simply misunderstood, people need a place to exercise their First Amendment rights.

pb8362 says:
04/26/08 09:40AM
ahh WHO LIKES THE OVER FOR THE LAKERS GAME?
FreedomAtStake says:
04/25/08 11:54AM
Thanks kujayhawk,

This might give you an idea of what I've been doing for the last 13 years.

I've had other aliases in the past, but I must admit that I have let my participation in the forum suffer over the last couple of years. But I aim to change that.
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