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New online gambling legislation introduced... here are the details

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Posted Thursday, May 07, 2009 04:02 PM   11 comments
Well, it took long enough, but it's finally here.

On Wednesday, we finally saw the introduction of some long-promised online gambling legislation... but it just wasn't the legislation we were expecting.

It was actually much, much more, and not necessarily in a good way.

For the last few months, we've been expecting and waiting for Barney Frank's bill to overturn the much-despised UIGEA, and that's what we were waiting for on Wednesday.

Instead, we were treated to two different pieces of legislation from Barney Frank, as well as a companion piece  by Rep. Jim McDermott.

So, let's go through these bills, shall we? I'll even issue my own arbitrary Pass / Fail judgement for each.

Bill: Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection, and Enforcement Act
Sponsor: Barney Frank

It starts out with a few pages describing how established gambling and online gambling already are in America, and how there is a need for regulation in order to protect customers and children.

OK, good so far.

Then, after some of the usual legalese, we get to the basic outline for a licensing program for operators, which are sufficiently vague enough to probably eliminate most, if not all, current offshore operators.

This is not so good if you are a fan of the offshore companies, but to most Americans, this would probably not be a big issue.

Moving on... hmmmmm... here is a section that outlines...


"(3) COLLECTION OF CUSTOMER TAXES — Appropriate mechanisms to ensure that all taxes relating to Internet gambling from persons engaged in Internet gambling are collected at the time of any payment of any proceeds of Internet gambling."


Does that mean that our winnings will be taxed immediately? That doesn't seem right - unless they plan to issue me a tax credit for my gambling losses too.

I mean, If I lost $100 yesterday and win $50 today, then I shouldn't be taxed on today's winnings, because I'm still below zero.

If I'm reading that correctly, then that is pretty stupid.

Moving on... OK, there is some language to deal with problem gambling, but they seem to be sticking to the brick-and-mortar model, which is missing a big opportunity, in my book.

Whoa! What is this?

‘‘No provision of this subchapter shall be construed as authorizing any licensee to operate an Internet gambling facility that knowingly accepts bets or wagers on sporting events from persons located in the United States in violation of section 3702 of title 28, United States Code, except for fantasy or simulation sports games (as defined in section 5362 of this title).


What? No sports gambling? That is a chickenshit cop-out, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm starting to lose my faith here.

Wait, here is the part where they are suspending the UIGEA buy saying it "shall not apply to any Internet bet or wager occurring pursuant to a license issued by the Secretary under this subchapter."

OK, I'm not sure if this is good or bad.

I guess it's good if they are limiting the UIGEA, but if they expect it now to only be applied to selected companies, then I would think that it would only serve to make the current situation even more convoluted. That's a bad idea if your stated goal is to remove complexity.

Summary: This is a good idea gone very bad. The main benefits of regulation would be to lay a foundation for consumer protection and - yes - taxation.

However, it looks like they are choosing to stick with the horribly outdated land-based model for problem gamblers, which is completely insufficient for the online market and will not appease the anti-gambling crowd. Furthermore, this bill is confusing about it's taxation plan.

Finally, they are still maintaining the longstanding and misguided prohibition of sports gambling.

Bottom line, somebody needs to explain to me how a bill with the two established goals of protecting consumers and eliminating useless prohibition can somehow end up not really effectively protecting consumers while still maintaining a huge measure of prohibition.

Swing. Miss.

Grade: FAIL

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Bill: Reasonable Prudence in Regulation Act
Sponsor: Barney Frank

This one is short and sweet. It requests a delay in the implementation of the UIGEA regulations from December 1, 2009, to December 1, 2010.

Summary: Another cop-out, but at least a minor one. While I think the entire UIGEA should be scrapped, this is the next best thing, I guess.

Grade: PASS

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Bill: Internet Gambling Regulation and Tax Enforcement Act of 2009
Sponsor: Jim McDermott

Right off the bat, this bill gets to the nitty-gritty... the tax.

It looks like Mr. McDermott is asking for two percent of all new monthly deposits, to be paid by the operator. Maybe my math is a bit hazy, but I'm not sure of the difference between a "2% tax on all new monthly deposits", and a simple 2% tax on deposits. Maybe they just want to ensure they get paid each month, rather than yearly. Either way, there it is.

Two percent.

OK, here it gets a bit interesting...

REQUIRED INFORMATION .— For purposes of subsection (a), the information described is set forth below, which information may be modified as appropriate by the Secretary through regulation —

(1) the name, address and TIN of the licensee or other person engaged in the business of accepting any bet or wager,
(2) the name, address and TIN of each person placing a bet or wager with the licensee or other person engaged in the business of accepting any bet or wager during the calendar year,
(3) the gross winnings, gross wagers, and gross losses for the calendar year of each person placing a bet or wager with the licensee or other person engaged in the business of accepting any bet or wager during the year,
(4) the net Internet gambling winnings for each such person for the calendar year,
(5) the amount of tax withheld with respect to each such person for the calendar year,
(6) beginning and end-of-year account balances for each such person for the calendar year, and
(7) amounts deposited and withdrawn by each such person during the calendar year.


So, it looks like the government is going to know exactly how much you gambled last year, as well as how much you won or lost.

Now, a lot of people won't care about that, but some people will definitely find that a bit freaky - especially if they have to list it on their tax forms in front of their spouses. And they WILL have to list it, because it looks like the operators will have to provide the names of their customers as well.

Now, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see anything specific about what kind of tax will be imposed on winnings.

Either way, that's about it for this legislation.

Summary: Reporting. Reporting. Reporting. The problem seems to stem from the fact that the individual states are each going to be wanting their piece of the pie. This bill is looking for a solution that will allow the state of Iowa to collect revenues when one of its residents bets online anywhere in America.

Therefore, this bill seems to be treating online gambling in the same manner as the purchase of prohibited substances.

I would say that this bill will make it as hard to make a bet online as it is to purchase a gun, but that would be wrong... it'll be much harder to make an online bet.

Another swing and miss. This bill starts with a good idea, but it goes to such extremes that the end result will be that people will end up betting "illegally" simply because it is too much of a hassle to do it online.

Grade: FAIL

There is an old saying, "Be careful of what you wish for, you just might get it."

These pieces of legislation are perfect examples of how a good idea can be corrupted by over-thinking the situation.

The problem is that there is already a working model for online gambling regulation in the UK, and none of the above bills seem to recognize this simple fact.

I also find the exclusion of sports gambling to be, well, a bit shocking in it's short-sighted stupidity.

So, that's it for now. I admit I'm a little disappointed, but I am going to have to evaluate whether these bills still might offer better options than the status quo.

I'll be back with more thoughts later.

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zcoach99 says:
05/07/09 04:35PM
Shoulda figured.
vanzack says:
05/07/09 04:44PM
"collection of customer taxes" refers to deposits made by players in licensed gambling establishments.

From what I heard, this means 2% of all deposits are taxed by the govt - paid by the gambling organization - not the player.

This means nothing to the player except possibly being passed on this cost by the gaming site to the player in a backdoor way.

blacksheep says:
05/07/09 05:13PM
At the onset this legislation would look to be a good thing in principle restoring freedom to people to do what they want with their own hard earned money, but in the process it goes horribly, horribly wrong. And to not 'legalize" sports wagering, seems to still be limiting the freedom for law-abiding Americans to have the ability and freedom to spend their money as they see fit, which this legislation is supposed to address. There is still too much ideology associated with this (ex: casino gambling is good, sports wagering is bad). As has been stated, enacting this new legislation may not be much better, if not worse than the situation that already exists right now.

I believe this proposed legislation in its current form is a MAJOR FAIL.

It would just be better at this point to pass legislation to repeal the legislation imposed by the Republican religious zealots and the Bush Administration hidden in the safe port's bill to get it passed. Then let the lobbying process begin to get a better system to improve the situation that exists right now. The businesses who stand to make huge sums of money from this need to get in there and advocate for the freedom for all to have sports wagering be part of the new and improved system. In the long run it is beneficial for them to get in there and support that rather than hide their heads in the sand. All politicians respond to campaign contributions (aka legalized bribery). That's how the system works and it is surprising the people who run gambling houses, both domestically and internationally haven't figured that out yet. The NRA (and other such agencies) have, and you see what they are able to do with the legislative process.

adamthebat says:
05/07/09 05:18PM
Juice will be higher, that is the backdoor, and a fee for making deposits instead of credits
adamthebat says:
05/07/09 05:25PM
One thing that I dont agree with, is that the government wants to know who is betting and all of their history of deposits and winnings. Maybe the government wants the information to use against individuals that seek financial aid/ help. If someone loses their job and then the home, the government would label this person as degenerate and not provide subsistence such as Unemployement benefits etc. The Government needs to just not keep a close eye on everything that people do. What would be next, Alcohol and Tobacco consumption cards that keep a record of how much of these items that you buy and consume monthly!
Ap1Bfreetorun says:
05/07/09 05:44PM
If this is the best they can do I would prefer there was no legislation. I don't know if any offshore books are going to pay taxes to the USG and I don't like that thing about furnishing the players identity to the government. I might just start hanging around tracks to be a 10 percent man and quit gambling altogether.
rick3117 says:
05/07/09 10:43PM
What did I say , frank has never done anything worth wile, but make me giggle with his speech impediment.

give me the old fashioned guy at the corner store.

Looks like organized crime is going to get a huge boost from this legislation.

donnyguru says:
05/08/09 01:19PM
IMO, they left out sports because they did not want to buck up against the cash and lobbying strength of the NFL and NCAA. And the fantasy exemption is a concession to the leagues because they make millions off this. But of course putting money on who scores the touchdowns instead of what team is not gambling. Such hypocrisy.

My vision is that they legalize online poker and casino gaming and tax the hell out of it, and leave us sports players out of it. I would be more than happy to continue to operate on the fringe, particularly if the e-wallets opened back up.

JB13372 says:
05/08/09 08:16PM
I simply do not trust those on-line poker or roulette games.. I used to build video poker machines and the logic card can be set several different ways...from "sometimes" win to "never, ever" win. No logic can be apllied. Atleast with sports betting it is always our choice...one team or the other, we have a fighting chance. Pre-programmed gaming is throwing money away...no doupt about it!
aCTNATURAL says:
05/08/09 09:53PM
plz excuse my ignorance...im not that bright...is online gambling in America legal, yes or no?
GeorgeBushPwns says:
05/09/09 02:30PM
Great news for streetbookies haha
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