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James Toney will end the great debate

By J_Logan | View all Posts
Posted Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:53 AM   38 comments
The eternal debate of which combat sport is better, boxing or MMA, could be answered with the UFC’s recent addition of former boxing champion James Toney.

Toney, who hasn’t stepped inside the ring since September of last year, is making the move to mixed martial arts after a very vocal and public campaign to win over UFC boss Dana White. The 41-year-old fighter isn’t sure when he will make his debut in the cage, but MMA fans can be sure they’ll be shelling out a pretty penny to see it.

Toney is a tremendous boxer and has shown an uncanny ability to adapt to different weight classes and challenges. Even though his career is winding down, his punching power alone makes him a real threat in the UFC. There are strikers and then there are boxers. Even mixed martial arts' sturdiest chins would crumble like new-born deer under the power of one of Toney’s shots.

That point has been the biggest weapon for fight fans that say an MMA athlete wouldn’t stand a chance against a boxer. Yeah, the MMA fighters will shoot and control the ground grappling, but if a boxer was to land one punch – just one – Mr. MMA would follow that knuckle sandwich with a bowl of smelling salt soup.

I’m sure Dana White will hand pick Toney’s first opponent, looking to get a nice return on his investment. Toney will KO the poor schmuck and with some training and hard work (hopefully without the use of steroids this time), could really make some noise in the UFC.

I, for one, am excited to put this annoying debate to bed once and for all.
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TheDoctor195 says:
03/04/10 11:58AM
This debate could be ended very fast put him against a top notch wrestler.  Like Cain or Brock and its fight over.
mohjo says:
03/07/10 12:42AM

Old Man Ray Mercer v Tim Sylvia lasted 10 secs

Ray was a champ when I was in 5th grade

If you could find a person who can take a boxers punch you're all good but w/ those little gloves I'd think there might be 2-3 tops who are quick enough to avoid heavy damage

tlml1899 says:
03/07/10 12:50AM

How is a 41 year old over the hill,way past him prime James Toney going to decide which sport is better?

And what do you mean "which combat sport is better" ? Better at what? Better on the ground ? Better on their feet ?

Because a boxing champ would KTFO a MMA champ on their feet but a MMA champ would destroy a boxing champ on the ground so what do you mean by better?

MoneyShot says:
03/07/10 12:39PM

exactly, how is toney going to decide that being a washed up boxer fighting MMA Rules?   this is a ridiculous thread. sorry but its true, doesnt make sense.

tlml1899 says:
03/07/10 01:22PM

 

Yeah your post said a boxer would win on their feet and a MMA fighter would win on the ground and explained what "the better sport" means

tlml1899 says:
03/07/10 06:16PM

I was being sarcastic ,you acted like you covered everything in your post days before so there was no point in my post even though mine had nothing to do with yours

Dexter83 says:
03/07/10 06:40PM

exactly .. This will not answer any questions to the debate.  Like CrowKiller said, would need to be a prime mma vs prime boxer.  I don't think people backing the boxer's side would want Toney to be their spokes person...  It will be entertaining I hope, but this fight won't answer any questions.

bennjackson123 says:
03/08/10 10:05AM
so he'll be fighting kimbo????
TheDoctor195 says:
03/08/10 10:24AM


If they have him fight Kimbo I lose alot of respect for Dana, that would be a joke of a match, might as well make it celebrity boxing. 
tlml1899 says:
03/08/10 01:49PM

 

Getting screwed? When was the announcement that Mitrione -Kimbo werent fighting because I must have missed that.

Kimbo-Mitrione will still go on imo but they'll move it to the April 17th card. Toney's first fight will be on a PPV

cacabware says:
03/08/10 02:53PM

 

they have "temporarily" removed mitrione/kimbo from the montreal card that it was scheduled to be apart of...............

tlml1899 says:
03/08/10 03:19PM

 

I already knew that but that doesnt mean they arent fighting .Like I said it will be moved to the April 17th imo

cacabware says:
03/08/10 03:42PM

 

i'm gonna have to agree with my buddy crow on this one................... 

at the very least,,,,there screwing his training over, you obviously train for each individual opponent, but for the last however many days---he hasn't been able to fully know that he is doing that............

cacabware says:
03/08/10 05:27PM

he's lucky he stopped there,,,,,,,,,,,,,my next post was gonna be.........

 

"you wanna make a bet"  ?????? 

cacabware says:
03/08/10 04:28PM

 

cacabware says:
03/09/10 08:00AM

 

See guy,,,THIS was my only post of yours I had a problem with,,,,,,NO, Mitrione did not 100% no who he was fighting up until yesterday, NO,,he hadn't been officially told where and who he'd be fighting,,,,,,,He was told he would be fighting on the Montreal card, but not exactly who he was going to get fighting,,,,,,,,,,,,so---I'm sorry you think you get text messages from Joe Silva----but obviously---you don't

But fuck it---for now---it looks like this shit is back on---i hope people are as excited as I am 

 

cacabware says:
03/09/10 08:02AM

 

sorry,,,,why would some of us take YOUR WORD,,,when we can just go straight to the source,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,?????????????????

cacabware says:
03/10/10 05:23PM

 

I don't know matt, but kid rio and barrydingles both do....and yes,,,they told me matt was in the dark until the 8th............

cacabware says:
03/10/10 06:40PM

 

all good bro,,,,,pointless dragging this subject on. 

TheDoctor195 says:
03/08/10 04:40PM



TheDoctor195 says:
03/08/10 10:46PM



tlml you just come off as a know it all who likes to rub in how great you are after the fact. you talk about how your guys are 33-1 and yours guys dont bash yet you come in here and bash people, and then you post their picks after the event and you triple count each pick when it wins, you dont talk about your great nate marquardt at play which you layed over -340
TheDoctor195 says:
03/08/10 11:05PM


What are you talking about

I kept out of this because i couldnt care one way or another.  But you just never stop your on every thread with the same nonsense


tlml1899 says:
03/10/10 04:48PM

My source was right about the fight ,Crowkillers wasnt . I'd want to get my info from the person that is right

tlml1899 says:
03/10/10 04:50PM

 

Because I was right while all you "maybe we know more than you do" and "wanna bets" were wrong

tlml1899 says:
03/08/10 11:00PM

you're a sad person

This is exactly what I'm talking about crowkillers.

tlml1899 says:
03/08/10 10:32PM

I dont want to be a dick either because I'm not .I was very nice when I started posting here but lately everytime I post anything I get bashed .I didnt mean to come off cocky when I came here and I wish someone would have said I sounded cocky instead of going straight into bash mode.We're not the best group of guys on the net but we're trying to put a good group of guys together so someday we might be.

I learned of the fight Saturday because I know a writer for one of the big websites who actually talks with Dana and he texts me when he knows things.

I truthfully cant tell you when Matt learned but I was guessing before Saturday when I knew.

I'd post more breaking stories and try to do more writeups here but I get bashed no matter what I post because I'm an "outsider" so I think whats the point?

tlml1899 says:
03/10/10 06:53PM

 

agree

tlml1899 says:
03/10/10 06:36PM

 

How can you 100% know that?

 I mean come on I knew before that Kimbo -Matt were still fighting. Lets just say its a possiblity Matt knew but wasnt allowed to say anything

tlml1899 says:
03/10/10 06:38PM

 

My source told me the Kimbo-Matt fight was still on they were just deciding that date .I never said Matt knew anything

So what my source told me was correct

tlml1899 says:
03/08/10 09:37PM

The UFC was contemplating Toney-Kimbo? 

Dana told you that? No you read it in a bunch of rumors.

 Kimbo-Mitrione was NEVER off ,the only thing they were deciding was whether to keep it at UFC 113 or move it to April 17th

You guys had zero idea what you were talking but all I saw was:

"maybe we know more than you do"

and

"wanna bet"

Great job guys 

Wrong just as I said

tlml1899 says:
03/08/10 09:59PM

Ok if we want to be nice I can be nice. Yes when Toney was signed there was speculation he would fight Kimbo first .

I learned just Sat. that the Kimbo-Mitrione fight was still on and the only thing left to be decided was the date of the fight.I guessed it was being moved to April 17th but said that was my opinion.

Now I wouldnt have been so quick to shove everyones face in it but I knew the fight was on and all I got was bashed by people: "who knew more than I did" about the situation. Now I woudlnt have said the fight was still on unless I knew because i'm not the kind of person to say stuff off rumors.

Maybe instead and bashing next time someone can ask me if I'm sure about what I say and we'll all get along better and get alot accomplished

tlml1899 says:
03/08/10 10:01PM

No they wouldnt have done that .I'm sure he knew the fight was still on a while ago and just learned that exact date within the last few days but I'm not 100% on that

tlml1899 says:
03/08/10 03:58PM

 

Wow you guys are really gullible.Do you really think Matt and Kimbo both dont already know when and if they are fighting?

Just because it hasnt been announced to you doesnt mean they havent been told already.

tlml1899 says:
03/08/10 08:52PM

Great job

cacabware
thedoctor195
crowkillers

or should I say gullible,naive and clueless.

It was just announced Kimbo-Mitrione will still be on UFC 113 on May 8th .Good jobs guys the fight was never cancelled . I guess Matt can "go back" to training now lol

I tried to tell you goofs this fight was still on I just wasnt sure of the date.

tlml1899 says:
03/08/10 08:54PM

 

Yeah genius I want to bet Kimbo-Mitrione are still fighting .

 

Great dectective work Columbo any more inside info you know about?

tlml1899 says:
03/08/10 08:56PM

 

Yep you sure know a lot

tlml1899 says:
03/10/10 07:47PM

 

+135 at sportsbook.com but I dont use them. Thats the best line I have see at the moment but alot of books have yet to release lines for this event

tlml1899 says:
03/11/10 06:10PM

Personally I think Kimbo wins.I think theres too much money to be made off a Toney-Kimbo fight for Dana to let this fight go on if he didnt think Kimbo was going to win.

I can see Dana setting Toney up with a bum in his first fight and then putting him the main event against Kimbo on a PPV.

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