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Cheating, angle-shooting or smart betting? You decide

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Posted Thursday, October 06, 2011 06:29 PM   13 comments

When I visited the sportsbook early last Sunday to cash some college winners and get down on a couple of NFL games, the ticket writer was eager to share with me a story of a bettor who tried to take full advantage of the parlor’s mistake.

The previous day, the woman told me, a customer came in and tried to make a small straight bet on Middle Tennessee State -23.5 against Memphis. He couldn’t hide his delight in noticing his ticket read “Middle Tennessee +23.5” (that’s plus three scores and change, a 47-point swing of the original spread), and quickly took great means to exploit the snafu.

The dude immediately emptied his wallet on the bet, which came to about $200, then headed to the ATM and withdrew his maximum allowance, about $600. If $800 is good, more is better, he concluded.

Because evidently his bank is open on Saturday, and the guy came back about 20 minutes later with three dimes to fire on this sure thing.

At which point, the woman informed him that if his previous bets didn’t get the house’s attention, this one surely would, and she couldn’t guarantee he’d get away with it. She booked the bet anyway.

The ticket writer told me she was off duty by the time the game ended and the guy tried to collect, so she wasn’t sure what happened to his bets. Middle Tennessee won 38-31 and failed to cover the posted -23.5 chalk, but easily covered the “alternate” spread as a +23.5-point dog.  

The sportsbook employee said she wondered if whoever was responsible for the mistake still had a job as we spoke.  If I had to place a bet on that one, I’d put one unit on the “yes.”

Not that I expect repercussions weren't involved, but I suspect the error was caught before bettors attempted to cash tickets, and no money traded hands.

At least that’s what happened when I found myself in a similar situation in 2003. I received a hot tip one Saturday morning that a local book was offering Florida State, a 17-point road chalk against Clemson, at +17 due to a computer error.

I’m almost embarrassed to say I took a similar line as the other guy. I put what I had in my wallet on the game, then took advantage of the weekend hours at Wells Fargo and came back with a good portion of my net worth a while later.

In those days, a ticket on Florida State +17 against Clemson felt like white, paper gold caressing my palms. Naturally, disaster almost struck. Clemson won the game outright 26-10 and my bet, essentially a 34-point teaser, covered by one measly point.

Good thing I was getting 17, I thought … smart betting. Let’s head to the cage. When I got there, the young writer told me there had been a “problem” with the game and summoned a manager.

The manager, who recognized me as a regular customer, looked disappointed in me as he explained that there was a mistake made on my game and, “I think you know what the mistake was.”

All bets on the contest were voided, he said, and I got a refund on my tickets.

He said the book was alerted to the problem, in part, when they saw me, a bettor who usually fired in the $55-$220 range, walk in and plunk down two dimes like it was nothing. He didn’t call me a cheater, but implied that I was angle-shooting and the behavior was, at best, unethical.

I’m still not sure what to think. I do know that in my many years in the racket, the sportsbook has never refunded a ticket that was my mistake, and hesitates when it’s theirs. This includes everything from me drinking the Kool-Aid on a sucker line to mistakes made by either the writer or on the parlay card.
 
In fact, one such mistake happened just a few weeks ago, and I lost $200 because of  it. I ended up with both sides of the same game because of their printing error, and the team number I originally chose would have resulted in a winning ticket. I didn’t catch the mistake until after I left the book.

But generally speaking, we all take part in the game knowing the rules under which we are playing. The house edge comes from the vig, and the fact that you’re a gambler with according tendencies, and our edge comes from the ability to push advantages when we are getting the best of it.

So where does this situation fit in? If you find yourself with a ticket for Oregon +24 tonight against Cal, is firing every dime to your name on it cheating, angle-shooting, or fair game in this cut-throat business?

I still can’t decide. And if I had another chance to place such a bet, I'm not sure what I would do.

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WahooS says:
10/06/11 06:33PM

interesting story

the dude certainly didn't get paid on that bet, no chance unless the sportsbook manager just never caught the mistake

 

would I cheat a book out of money if I knew I would get paid and get away with it?  I don't think so but I guess you never really know unless you are in that situation

cjordanj1217 says:
10/06/11 06:41PM
Lol guess im unethical... i do small bets usually 1-4 units per game and my book overpaid me 600 one weekend{(had a tease and a ($100 3 team parlay)}... Usually cash around that amount for a whole weekend lol... book never said anything else about it as once he pays and we both verify he uses a paper shredder not to leave evidence behind...
vegaslover says:
10/06/11 06:44PM
Fair game, fuck the man.
thorpe says:
10/06/11 07:11PM
For your example,   I wouldn't do it.  If I did do it, I'd ask a manager to confirm the line.  It is possible you get paid if you win, but most likely you'd get your bet voided if you win, and you lose if you lose.

But if it is not a case of switching a "+" with a "-" on the line, I would do it.

A year or two ago, I bet an Army game, where the line was 6.5, and the Greek had an Alt Line of 7.5 +180.  I think the regular line moved, but they never updated the Alt Line because no one probably bet.  I bet the Alt Line, but not too heavy, because Army -7.5 is not a sure thing.  Army won by 28 points I think.
Yavapai says:
10/07/11 01:06AM
this is what happened.

It was at a LEROYS.

Since Leroys has NO balls they will not put up the "added games" until

saturday morning, and I was waiting on the line to come up and take MEMPHIS

with the 23 1/2.

I use vegasinsider to check the lines and saw someone had fucked up at LEROYS

when it was memphis -23 1/2 .

Later that day about an hour beofre kickoff I went to the Leroys location I use and the

game was off the board and I asked to tkt writer if the game was going to be reopend and he said no , I told the writer that someone had fucked up the line and I ended up going over to Ballys and took Memphis at plus 23 1/2.

The original line that Leroys posted most likely was voided and the guy who did

place the MID TEN wagers got nothing but a refund.

Takefromthebook says:
10/07/11 10:00AM
No no its not cheating its simply just taking advantage

and when u make a mistake they take advantage of you.

Me personally i been able to see two times this year were i

could take advantage of my book.

The first time I went to pick up and instead of $200

they paid me $280.

The second I called in on monday and they had +$125

and I was actually down $5 i told them that time lol...

so its really the mood im in i guess!

Josh_Nagel says:
10/07/11 12:33PM
Thanks for the feedback, guys. Misfits, thorpe, your points are something I've thought about regarding my own experience. I've wondered if whether Clemson had beaten Floridat State by more than 17 -- and they were driving for another late score before mercifully turning the ball over -- whether the book still would have stood by its "all bets are void" policy. I have a feeling Florida State bets would have been considered "action" then.

Anyhow, if it happened again, I'd probably decline, if not for ethical reasons than because I would know there is little chance of cashing, and the gambling Gods might punish me for the bad mojo with more than my share of bad beats. There is a greater sens of satisfaction in winning your bets fair and square.

VegasVandal, the tickets writers weren't worried about their own jobs, they were talking about whoever made the mistake at the corprate level. The bet wasn't even close to the house limit for a college football side, so the amount didn't need approval by a supervisor.

Good luck to you guys.

garretdoherty says:
10/07/11 10:00PM
hi guys

i consider this a free bet,and it has happened tome before,yes take advantage,it is there mistake,if it covers one should get paided or void if it loses they should refund because of their mistake.

well said misfits!

srcharles2 says:
10/07/11 11:28PM
I think this is a lot like when you lose in blackjack and the dealer pays you by accident..

I think that in gambling if you are not honest karma will get you... HARD

in the same way with my job if i made a mistake like that i would have to live with my Fup

mctrap says:
10/08/11 12:35PM
It's not my responsibility to tell the blackjack dealer he/she made a mistake in my favor. In sports betting they have posted a '' product '' for sale at a certain price. Its not my responsibility to tell them they have posted a bad line when I purchase this bet. They made that offer and I accepted it as is...........Casinos are the biggest pussies and cry babies there are when it comes to this kind of stuff.........And if the keno ticket writer made a mistake on your numbers, will they still pay you. The answer is NO. Always ckeck your ticket at the window before leaving to make sure they haven't screwed you, which is far more likely the case.
wackycracker says:
10/10/11 08:33AM
Well I would take advantage of their error---they've taken advantage of mine .But you gotta remember the house makes the rules ,and he who has the gold makes the rules. Next time just smile and say " I wasn't going to look a gift horse in the mouth".
turfdude says:
10/10/11 12:52PM
I love it if you can get an angle like that exploit it all you can bro, Its funny how the books always take your money eagerly but when they have to payout there is always a rule why they can't pay you out faster!!!!
soccerido says:
10/27/11 12:17PM
I had a different situation where I was clearly taking advantage of the Online Books back in 2005. I had just started my Freshman year at Florida State and was looking for a way to cash in on my obsessive "rivals.com" and "college gameday" research... In other words, I was young and stupid... FSU played UM in the first game of that season, on Labor Day, 10-7... I won my bet on FSU straight up and turned my attention to the second week's lines where I noticed a line "team to receive the opening kickoff"... I thought that was too easy, many teams like FSU ONLY DEFER, and teams like vanderbilt and Tenn were ONLY RECIEVING... All I had to do was go through every DI team's pages to see what their choices were on the kickoff when they won the toss... Needless to say, my 250 initial deposit was up to nearly 12,000 within 4 weeks, I cheated... The books knew it, and by week 5 there was no such bet as "team to receive opening kickoff" on any books.... Fuck Em I say
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