kickinA says:
[Quote: Originally Posted by fightintigraz]

Adoff, He stole retirement funding from falilys. He put americans at risk. Vick didnt.  " Matter of fact he killed the ones that pose a threat. "

 

At what point did the dogs that were killed by Vick and his posse pose a threat to society? So instead Vick should be commended a hero now?

 

Also because its a victim-less crime makes it legal?   

First of all, gambling (in this case over dog fights) is not a victim-less crime as it involves big money from many gamblers. One can correlate that someone losing a huge bet there could go on and commit other crimes to support his habit, thus a risk to Americans. Drug abuse is a perfect example.

 

The law is the law, like it or not. If you don't like it, start some grass root campaign to reform it. Otherwise abide by it. Seems simple enough of a concept to me. 

 

"And a serial Killer is when you kill HUMANS!!!!!!!! Not Dogs!! "

 

A serial killer is one that performs a series of similar acts over a period of time such as killing one dog after another.

 

"And for the 2 years, they couldnt get any time for the animal crualty (which im glad cause they shouldnt) they got him for trafficing state lines for the purpose of gambling. People think he should be locked up for things that he wouldnt have done time for. They had to stick the to it to get the sentance they did. Thats why I feel he paid his debt to society and then some."

 

He broke the law! "You do the crime, you do the time." How often have we all heard of this line.

 

"And once again I think what he did was wrong, he needs some counceling.  And for the record its something like 80+% of child molesters get under a year for there crime unless there a repeat offender. Which means they dont even go to prison, they go to jail. IMO, someone that sleeps with kids is far bigger threat to the citizens of the USA then Vick killing dogs!! Once again just my opinion."

 

Because too many bleeding hearts are giving them too many second chances like that and that is one (of many,) reason why a lot of criminals are back on the streets and further commit crimes. Stats by criminologists and the UCR proves that.

 

Yes, why don't all criminals just go through councelling/ rehab, then pretentiously find God, so they'll be forgiven and pardoned, right?  

 

 

 

wallstreetcappers says:
There are a few stupid teams around who will take a risk to put some butts in the seats, but consider also the effect it will have in the locker room and the controversy following the team around week in and out.

A stupid team that fits the descript is the Raiders. I would be shocked if St.Louis would risk it, that city would boycott supporting them, St.Louis is a very traditional and conservative sports town..Vick does not fit there.

Let us get something straight here too, Vick was a TERRIBLE passing QB, he is a career 75 passing rating, his TD/INT ratio has always been bad, YPC is brutal. He has been sitting for two full seasons and another third will be missed if he catches on. I tend to think he wont be juking defenses like he did two years ago..

Its a bad gamble to make and if you take that gamble and he fails, that GM might as well quit right then and there.

kickinA says:

"Those dogs that lost are pitbulls. Already a threat to society, and have been fights. Thats how. And I never said hero, dont take what I wrote outta context like that."

 

How about no dog fighting in the first place? Then these dogs wouldn't have to face those disgusting consequences. How about euthanizing those dogs instead of torturing, electrocuting, and bashing them on the ground?

 

"He did do the time but people like you thinks that wasnt good enough, you think he shouldnt be able to return to his profession."

 

I understand this is the NFL and an example of corporate greed. Still I can only hope no team picks him up, but I'm against the odds here, but I can live with that. Where else in society can a convicted felon be able to return to his old profession? Not too many I know of. 

 

"If gambling was that bad then it should be banned everywhere and you shouldnt be on this site right now. The reason its illegal is because the Government cant tax unless in a controled invironment.  Why is differnt type of gambling, cause its not controlled? If what you said was true, after some of the days Ive had gambling Id be a HUGE crackhead by now."

 

Hopefully you'll never have to resort down that path of becoming a crackhead. We've all had days like that.

 

Major sports are heavily betted on, even though technically it is illegal, is loosely permitted because it can't be controlled (like you said.) Look at Prohibition and see how that went, its a fine line that we walk on. Reliance is on self control here.

   

Dog fights are simply not tolerated because the dogs have no say whatsoever, unlike human athletes that can decide to or not to play sports. And human athletes don't fight to maim each other or to the death. Athletes have a choice, they can back out anytime they want. Unlike animals. Think of animal fights as gladiators during the Roman days. Society has come a long way since.

 

Lastly the monetary rewards  and recognitions for athletes are forever life changing. Animals don't have that luxury, only the coffers of their owners are fattened up.

 

And yes I wouldn't be on this site if it was illegal to be on it.

 

"This is the last time I say this. I think Vick was sick for what he did,I dont agree with the punishment"

 

Vick knew what he was doing and whether he knew of the possible consequences or not for his actions is not a justifiable defense.

 

"I think it was to harsh for his crimes. "

 

That is your opinion and you're entitled to it. I disagree.

 

"I dont agree with you thinking its OK for you to think more of animals life more then human life. Or even be able to try to compare the two."  

 

That depends on scenarios and circumstances. Innocent people dying by intentional acts, I agree with you. But by accidental deaths, it's just that, accidental. Unfortunate, but these are realities.

 

"Actually I think people who think that are as crazy as Vick if not more. But your opinions and moral views are just that. Yours. We just disagree on this topic."

 

See the above response.

 

"GL on your football gambling season."

 

Good luck to you too on the upcoming season. Something I agree with you here.

liontri says:

liontri says:

I'm not trying to bust your balls or anything, so please forgive me. But, if you're trying to be a "law abiding" citizen that you claimed to be, then you wouldn't be posting on this site. Because the last time I checked, and please correct me if I'm wrong, if you're posting on this site, then you're involved in sports gambling, which is illegal in some part of the country.

chillery says:
Everyone is over analyzing this Vick situation (mainly the Vick haters).   Some contribution this season with whomever he signs with.   More of a role and his football legs back the following season.   Vick is a QB, always has played QB and will be a QB on somebodies roster.   Only way he will become a starter is if there is an injury to the starting QB.   In my opinion the 2 year layoff is more of a blessing in the since that he should be completely fresh and that he is such a freak of an athlete that it won't take that long to get his football savvy back.    He has no where to look but up.  He will take this second chance seriously and try to become a better complete QB now than the one he was before he left football in 2007.

westcoastTrojan says:
Imagine him running the wildcat for a team like the Patriots?

 

I heard the patriots were interested a couple of weeks ago and thought that would be scary. What do you do when Vick comes in to run the wildcat, with Moss, Welker, and Galloway running routes?  Scary.

 

I keep thinking about the ducks Ronnie Brown was throwing from the wildcat. Vick would be tremendous. I think he'd be real nice on a very good team. If Pat White is getting picked in the 2nd round to essentially run a wildcat system, than Vick should be signed at all cost. Nobody in their right mind can say White is as good as Vick. he's more accurrate, thats about it.

genx2121 says:
thought this was bout where vick was going, not a animal lover but agree it was wrong, he served his debt to society, my favorite plays that i remember involved vick and randy moss so i am looking forward to his return, with that being said i think he goes to seattle (mora wants him) but the best fit imo would be new england, they dont have a backup and belichick would keep him in line, fan wise the redskins would be ideal he is from virginia and would prob get a warmer welcome

fightintigraz says: