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Why the Yankees ruined this sport

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Posted Sunday, February 14, 2010 09:26 AM   25 comments

This league need a salary cap, anything less is bullshit

When small market teams have no chance before the season even starts something is very wrong with baseball. I know that the Yankees play within the rules but small market teams have no chance to even compete financially.  To make matters worse this year I will have to listen about Derek Jeter and his contract talks. This game is broken. Will Derek consider going to any other team. HELL NO, he is just another greedy bastard who can't even spend what he has earned already,but he'll want more.

How long to NFL training camps ?

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mightiestmojo says:
02/14/10 10:56AM
It's broken in terms of being fair but is still popular and the current model makes it all the more exciting when the Twins, As, or Marlins actually compete.

But I do agree, only 7 months 'til NFL!!

SykesSystem says:
02/14/10 04:39PM
Basically its broken because the Yankees got sooooo good and won sooo many times that they are too good for anyone else? I read between the lines. But yet whent he YAnkees lose they are said to be wasting money, but when they win they are said to be Buying the Championship(which is the goal of every team, to BUY players that perform well and Win Championships). Yankees are the best team hands down, deal with it and stop whining.
SirJohnDrake says:
02/15/10 03:35AM

Well said jpero!!

You really can't reason with this sparky dude. All he cares about is his yankee team and nothing else. This guy has tunnel vision. I wouldn't even waste my time trying to rationalize with this guy.

Sparky10191 says:
02/15/10 03:33PM

Why do people go out on the limb to say all I care about is the Yankees and not baseball? I kinda talked about that already.

Yankees are #1 on my mind and the rest of baseball is a very distant 2nd. As long as the Yankees are in the race...they will be #1 on my mind. I LOVE baseball, but I LOVE the Yankees a whole lot more. Like a true fan. I'm spoiled...sue me.

And the only reason jpero argues with me is because I talk bad about his O's. If I was talking about the Pirates he probably wouldn't have intervened.

And yes...I am biased. Which fan isn't biased to an extent? I'm not saying the Yanks are going to win the World Series. I'll joke about it some times...and I'll be watching every game hoping they do win...but that's about it. You'll see during the season how I work. No need to make judgements based on my postseason/offseason manners. Stick around for the season to see how things go.

Sparky10191 says:
02/15/10 03:36PM

And that is what I don't understand. Nobody was complaining about the Yankees having Giambi and Abreu. But when they left and the Yankees upgraded to Sabathia, Burnett and Tex...people need to realize that they lose TONS of salary. And I've mentioned this before. They gave Pettitte less money, Abreu, Giambi and Pavano were coming off the books. They had money to throw at people. And why would they just pocket that money? If you got it...flaunt it. Right?

GamzOver says:
02/15/10 03:41PM
Sparky i personally think you like baseball in general. You know too much about the game. As far as the Yankees go, you are a New Yorker and a " die hard " Yankees fan. Like i am die hard Baltimore sports. Bottom line is it's your team.
Sparky10191 says:
02/15/10 03:45PM
And to add on...I didn't make 100 threads in the baseball forum this offseason on acquisitions because I'm paid to. I did it because I enjoy keeping up with baseball and hope to have discussions with other baseball fans about how the move may or may not help the ball club.
jesron1269 says:
02/16/10 11:31AM
No I think that Harry Frazee and his horrible theatre production ruined parity in baseball forever when he decided to trade the greatest baseball player of all time and provide the cornerstone for America's greatest dynasty.  Therefore, I conclude that BOS is to blame for NYY dominance.  Check out this snipet, "On January 3rd the course of two franchises would change forever. The Red Sox who

had won five World Series, and the Yankees who had yet to win a single pennant

made a deal that would forever change the landscape of professional sports. Sox

owner Harry Frazee looking to finance a Broadway Musical "No-No Nannette" sold

Babe Ruth to the Yankees for $125,000, in addition to $300,00 for a loan against

the mortgage of Fenway Park. After this move the Yankees would go on to become

the greatest dynasty in the history of sports, and the Red Sox would not win

another World Series for 86 years. Babe Ruth's first season in pinstripes would

be a smashing success for the Yanks. Ruth would go on to hit 54 Home Runs establishing

and a new record, while nearly doubling the old record. The old record

of 29 was also set by Ruth in 1919 his first year as a fulltime OF. The Yankees

would go on to win 95 games coming up just three games short of the pennant."

By the way on to the subject, baseball should never have a salary cap because otherwise all you will have is the NBA where you have even more movement to work around the cap.  I hate how that is structured.

jesron1269 says:
02/16/10 11:37AM


So true Sparky so true!  Nothing wrong with being a NYY fan (even though I personally hate the fact that they made short work of my Twins this past postseason) and you should not have to apologize for being a fan.  BOL this  year!
Sparky10191 says:
02/16/10 11:52AM

Didn't that come from Prime 9 on the MLB Network? I watched that the other day. It was the most lopsided trades of all time. That is a really good show they came up with imo.

Sparky10191 says:
02/16/10 11:55AM

Depending on your rotation...your Twins should have 1 hell of a season. They will be 1 team I'll be watching with my first season of MLB Extra Innings . Their offense against right handed pitchers will be incredible.

thorpe says:
02/16/10 12:17PM


On the contrary, it is the bad teams that will put the other bad teams out of business.  The Pitssburghs and Floridas sell a lot more tickets when the good, high payroll teams come to town, than when lousy teams come to town.

Here is my question for the salary cap proponents.  What do you do when you put a salary cap in place, and the big market teams dominate the sport more than they do now?

Players want to play for the Yankees, and if their was a cap in place they'd take less money to play for them, because they want to play for a winner, they want to play in a great city, they want a great stadium, and they know that by playing in a big market they have more chance at advertising money. 
Sparky10191 says:
02/16/10 12:33PM

Well even the Rays couldn't sell out when they had their run.

And yes...more people would want to play for the Yankees. I mean...if you can't get $300 million contracts...you'll take what you can get. A $5 million difference between playing with Kansas City (no offense mmac) and playing with New York/Boston/Los Angeles in the bright lights and with their media stream...doesn't make it that much of a difference.

And remember...Bud Selig isn't the one projecting $400 million in loses.

mmac66 says:
02/17/10 03:55PM

None taken, sir

 

Sparky,  I do believe you care about baseball and I think you would probably still be a Yankees fan even if they went through a Kansas City-like streak of ineptitude......I don't doubt your sincerity and enthusiasm for the game and in fact, very much respect the fact you are in here reporting on all things baseball, not just all things NY Yankees. I respect your position and look forward to your contributions throughout the year.

However, as a Yankee "fan" I don't think you are really looking at the whole picture. The health of the game is not defined by the health of the Yankees or three or four other teams. The debate in this whole issue to me stems from the fact that a lot of people, like myself, who grew up playing baseball, followed the major leaguers and such have become at least disinterested, if not completely removed from any interest in baseball. Now, as you know, I'm a Royals fan. I grew up watching a winning team. Since the death of Ewing Kauffman being a Royals fan has been painful, at best. They have been so poorly run that they would have been a losing team regardless of payroll and revenue sharing. An example of this is the starting outfield the Royals had in the early 2000's of Beltran, Dye and Damon.......Beltran and Damon were drafted and came up through the Royals system. The Royals didn't think they could afford any of them (and they were probably right) the problem was the haphazard manner in which they got rid of them and essentially gave away something for less than nothing...I think Dayton Moore, the current GM, is trying to right the ship and has the program moving (albeit at a glacial pace) in the right direction. Problem for me as a Royals fan is that the best case scenario for them, given the current state of baseball is probably the Minnesota Twins.....now, being the Minnesota Twins isn't a bad deal, but it's very rare when anyone actually thinks the Twins are real contenders for championship. Kind of like being a fan of an NFL team and aspiring to be a wild-card contender a couple of times a decade. It just isn't fun. If I didn't gamble on baseball, I wouldn't give it a second thought. Probably wouldn't even check the boxscores.

Why should a salary cap be in place? In my opinion it would at least give teams like KC, Pittsburgh and the like an opportunity to compete on a slightly more level playing field with the New York's of the MLB world. Would it solve all the problems, no it wouldn't. But at least I wouldn't know for a fact that Zack Greinke will be pitching somewhere else when his contract is up, there would be a hope in hell of keeping some homegrown talent and give the community a chance to rally around a superstar.  Maybe it wouldn't matter, but it would change the balance of power to a broader range of teams.....well run, well managed teams who treated players well would be able to compete if the contract offers were similar.....right now, they aren't. And when NY overpays for players, the rest of baseball suffers for it.

Finally, I'm not bitter about this.....I'll continue to watch and gamble on baseball. I'll continue to come on here and have fun with may sarcastic Kansas City jabs......God knows, they certainly deserve it.....but I sincerely doubt, given the current financial climate of baseball that the day will come when I think the Royals will be competitive on a championship caliber level....and I expect to be on the planet another forty years or so.....hopefully that will explain my indifference towards the sport and being willing to point out the insanity that is the New York Yankees payroll.

 

Sparky10191 says:
02/17/10 04:02PM
Damnit mmac...you had to post so much. I'm only home for a bit but I'll come back later to reply...and finish reading everything.
mmac66 says:
02/17/10 04:21PM

 

    I forgot what I was writing about halfway through!

Sparky10191 says:
02/17/10 07:04PM

First I will say baseball has been diverse. I mean...look at the NL West over the last 10 years. It's been Every team has made the playoffs at least once and 2 have made the World Series. In the NL Central...they've had 4 teams make the playoffs. The NL East...4 as well right? The AL West? 3 of the 4. The AL Central had 4 of 5 and the AL East had 3 of 5. So...in the past decade, 7 of 30 teams have no made the playoffs. And 14 different teams have made the World Series. It's not like just 4 teams are dominating everything.

Yes...no salary cap is unfair. I never said it was fair. I say what the Yankees doing is fair under the rules. Yes...if there was a salary cap it would give lower market teams more of a chance. The Yankees wouldn't be able to sign ALL the stars but they would still get a majority of them. But that goes back to the whole thing thorpe and I were saying. Players would want to go to New York to play for the Yankees. Mainly for the money...but for the big stage. Lets say baseball was just starting off and the highest ranked prospect could go anywhere he wanted. The 2 highest offers were the Yankees and Royals with the same offer. No offense to Kansas City...but New York has more to offer. Same thing with Los Angeles. Lets also use a basketball situation here. I heard over the weekend that James would love to play with Wade on an NBA team. Say Pujols and A-Rod would want to play on the same team...both becoming free agents. If you put those 2 on a team...the team would be 100% better. BUT...if they both were offered the same contract in NY or Tampa...where would they rather play? We saw when the Rays went to the World Series...the fans didn't show up all season like they should have. Then the front runners came out come playoff time (where a lot of the fans in the ALCS were cheering for the Sox). I'm starting to be like you and forget where I'm going with this...happens a lot. I believe they would rather go play for NY because the fans are better. And as we've seen in Pittsburgh...the fans don't really care about baseball. It's football country up there. And I assume they gave up on the GM and Owner after letting their best players go over the last few years. But like I was saying...sure the Yankees couldn't outbid everyone...but if it were more even...they'd get a majority of the top players anyway...as well as other big markets. Sure that's just an opinion and I could be totally wrong...but we'll never really know for sure.

And yes...the Yankees' payroll is insane. And everyone was pissed when they signed the top 3 guys on the market last offseason. But contracts expired and instead of pocketing money...they put it back into the team. People complained about the Yankees getting Granderson, which baffeled me. It was a trade...they didn't get him for free...and 28 other teams could have got them. His contract isn't insane and according to some...the Yankees don't have a great farm system so other teams could have given better offers. People just come up with reasons to hate the Yankees. As a fan...it's either argue for shits and giggles, or let it be. If they win, people say, "Well you should have won, look at your payroll.". And when they lose, people say, "Hahaha, how did you not win, look at your payroll.". So I just enjoy watching them play, hope they win every single game, and hope they win the World Series so nobody can disagree that they were the best team in baseball for that year.

And don't think it's over for the Royals. Everyone can come out of nowhere and play in a World Series. Look at the Rays. 100 loses to playing in the World Series. I converse with jpero and bust his chops time and time again on how the O's will NEVER compete. But in reality...I have no idea if they really will or not. For all I know, he could be 100% right. Matusz, Bergesen and Tillman can all have really good seasons. We all know their offense is great. They could be contenders and World Series bound for the next 10+ seasons. Now I don't think that because I think the Rays were 1 in a million and while the O's may get a bunch of young talent...the Yankees and Sox can still buy other team's talent and bring up their own. And we know the Sox have a top farm system too. So while it's possible...I personally think it's doubtful.

 

How's that for a writeup? I'm prepping for my writeups come April 4th and beyond.

I had to delete your post because I was over the 7800 characters.

jackdfan says:
02/17/10 07:10PM
Despite the Yanks ruining baseball, are we going to have the regular season anyway? 

Thanks!
mmac66 says:
02/18/10 09:54AM

 

 

 

 

 

mmac66 says:
02/18/10 10:10AM

Nice thoughts, Sparky. Regarding the salary cap, you're probably right that more folks would like to play in the bigger cities, but I don't believe that everyone would. All of the top talent in the NBA and NFL certainly don't reside in New York and California. And, in the cases of Peyton Manning and LeBron James you could argue that the potential for endorsement dollars and broad exposure exists in any market in the country if you have the talent and personality to go along with it. It would be interesting but I don't think free agents would just ignore the heartland or the mountain west if salaries and competitive balance were more evenly distributed. Like you said though, I'm afraid we'll never know the answer in baseball.

 

The highlighted portion is really the main point of argument for most of us "disenfranchised" fans......of course we could "come out of nowhere".......but that is what we are left with, basically hoping for a shot in the dark every quarter century or so....

 

As for you being a Yankee fan, you certainly don't need to apologize for enjoying your team and their success during the season. They are playing within the rules baseball set-up and that's just the way it is. For the most part the Yankees teams of the last 15 years or so have been pretty likeable in my opinion. As a fan you should absolutely enjoy the season and post-season. I just think baseball is on a very poor path for the long-term health of the game......of course, I could be wrong.

Here's my prediction for the 2017 season

Yankees have a $436 payroll...highest in the majors by $103 million and will qualify for the playoffs for the 16th time in 17 years this century.

Kansas City will have the largest payroll in franchise history of $187 million and have nice talent at the lower levels of the minor leagues...although they haven't qualified for the post-season since the 1980's they should be very competitive in two or three years!

 

Looking forward to the season

mmac66 says:
02/18/10 10:12AM

The million I left out in the original post is kind of a key word

GamzOver says:
02/18/10 10:29AM
Hey MAC take heart, your Royals won 1 more game then my Orioles last year.
mmac66 says:
02/18/10 11:38AM

 

DOVJAK says:
02/18/10 01:15PM
Sparky10191 says:
02/18/10 01:32PM

Very good point on the highlighted part. However...what is the most talked about team in all of sports (for the most part)? The Yankees. Whether it's hate talk or praise talk...people talk about them. 

Now NBA has a D-League...NFL doesn't have any minor league system...but Baseball has 5-6 teams and how many rounds of drafting? More stars are born each year...not all will choose to settle.

And look at the Rays. They kinda dipped out of the race in the earlier parts of September last year. 2 years after losing 100 games and 1 year after going tot he World Series. But that 1 season can turn a franchise around. The Tigers were in the same boat. They made that run to the World Series...lost...went down a bit...and are now still talked about for the playoffs. Hell...1 game away from it last season.

And that's not a fair prediction. They did have a budget going into the 2010 season and they stuck to that. Now sure they did that so they can go big next offseason...but they can be suttle too.

And I've had the Royals to have a better season than last season since 2006. How have I done? 3-1. They won 6 more games in 06 than 06. 7 more games in 07 to 06. 6 more games in 08 than 07. And then they dipped 10 games last season but injuries had a big part to do with that. I'll take them over 65 wins this season. Not sold on their over 74.5 which is their win total on The Greek but that's because I like the Twins, Chi.Sox and Tigers to duke it out.

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