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PATS REPORT CHECK DOWN TOM at it again

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Posted Sunday, August 26, 2012 06:17 AM   107 comments
 Down below is a link  from an article on how bad the Patriots Offense looks .

 What this  writer dosen't  understand is  that this is TOM  BRADY.

  CHECK DOWN TOM  throws 83% of his passes 0-10 yds why people and teams   haven't anyone caught on to this yet is beyond me .

  Its the  up tempo 0-10 YDS  no huddle  crap that has beat up on  all the STINK in the NFL . 

  Has the stink  in the league finally caught up with the fact that CHECK DOWN TOM  can't throw the ball downfield  to save his life ? 

 In last years playoffs  and superbowl  Balls  Brady threw 20 yds in the air or longer,  he was 0-13 with 2 INTs

 How  pathetic is  that Stat ?  You will never hear  number 1  Brady kiss Asser John Gruden mention this fact.

My reference to the STINK in the league , is the patriots regular season   schedule  Miami Buffalo Jets 18-36 SU last year 
now ADD JAX ,INDY and  ST LOUIS  9-39 SU  

So in 9 of the PATS game this year their opponents were 27-75 SU last year . ITS A BIG STINKFEST  

Once again the PATRIOTS will play only 3 teams this year who's record   was over 500 last year 

 I expected the Patriots to go 13-3 once again this year without beating a team over 500  and  not winning a playoff game . 

But could this be the year that the all the STINK in the league finally  catches up with REGULAR SEASON TOM BRADY  who usually  pads his stats against all this STINK . 



http://www.examiner.com/article/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-offensive-starters-struggle-against-tampa-bay





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Spartacus10 says:
08/26/12 12:00PM
Finally, someone else who understands. If you search my name at the top and type that in, threads with me saying those exact words will come up. They snap the ball and he just takes a quick drop and throw, completes a 4 yard pass, and Welker runs 30 yards. People need to pay attention to YAC, and they would understand that Brady is some what smoke and mirrors. If teams would play much more man to man on the receivers and zone in the flats, it would be tough for that offense to maintain stability.
MYSTICRICH says:
08/26/12 02:34PM
 Spartacus iv'e been the lone voice for years on this  i usually get laughed at and thrown the Tom Brady  3 super bowl shit at me .

lets talk about the super bowl they make so much of a championship that can be won by only  winning 3 games 

 To win  a  championship NBA 16 games   MLB 11 games  NHL 16 games

 BOSTON BRUINS  had to win 16  games   3  7TH  games to win Stanley Cup    that's why it took 40 years between cups,  its a hard feat to pull this off .

, In the patriots case  being in their STINKY division it   only requires winning 2 home game and then beating another team at a neutral site . really tough huh?.

Last year  Patriots 13-3 didn't beat a team over 500 , open against a horrible Denver 8-8  team at home and  finally win a playoff game  first in 3 years    WHAT A .FARSE!

 Now they Host the Ravens which out play the Patriots again Flaco clearly the better QB on the field .

BRADY plays like a GOAT once again 0 TD's 2 INT'S

 BUT because Lee Evans lets a pass get knocked out of his hands,  and then  a field goal kicker shanks a chip shot field goal

 Because of this , we now have to  give BRADY credit for getting to 5 super bowls on his resume its a joke , this guy has been the biggest STIFF in the post season for years now  he's a front runner beats up on all the stink in the regular season .

 The National  media is a bunch of  chills , and they all either ignore it,  or they are just too stupid .

 I  know from listening to the local media in Boston They don't have a Clue  a bunch of retards and pom pom waivers,  they think Brady's elite and the patriots appearing in these super bowls is some big feat . 

But just back to how legit the super bowl  is ,  in 2009 an 8-8  Arizona team  that came to Foxboro and lost 47-7  this team  quit in the game cause they didn't want to play in the snow . well this team was 2 minutes away from beating pittsburgh and winning super bowl 40..

This just proves you don't have to be great or even good to either win a super bowl or play in one , 

The only way it becomes a legit championship if you have at least best  of 3 games  like all the other sports do ., we know this will never happen , that's why it will never be legit .

Can you imagine the great Brady in a best of three vs the Ravens  he has 5 int's and 2 fumbles in last two games vs Ravens,  boy would he be exposed .

But for all you Brady lovers i know i make you sick  

 To make yourself feel better after reading this take 3 aspirin put on your Patriot feety PJs  and repeat this to yourself TOM BRADY 3 SUPER BOWLS TOM BRADY 3 SUPER BOWLS TOM BRADY 3 SUPER BOWLS. 

  And don't even think of Adam Vinatieri kicking a 48yd field goal in a snow storm , or the patriots defense which was  the real reason they won so many years ago . 
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MYSTICRICH says:
08/26/12 03:08PM
well since the patriots have won their last super bowl  and Tom Brady has become a quote un quote  super star  Tom Brady has been out played by  every QB he has come up against  and alot these QBs have been labeled stiffs 

BRADY has lost to and been outplayed by Jake Plummer , Mark Sanchez, Joe Flaco   Eli manning twice 

 if he;s so good how come he gets beat and outplayed by all these QB'S that everyone calls stiffs ?  

i would take just about anyone over him in a playoff game 

, he plays on the better team but loses every time

 with the exception of besting Tebow last year, when has he outplayed any  other teams QB? 
MYSTICRICH says:
08/26/12 03:44PM
The problem is everyone looks at the regular season with Brady and the guys such a front runner and he puts up these big number against all the stink 

Brady's the only QB  whose coach lets him keep throwing the ball when they are up by 20 with 5 minutes left 

the excuse has been you can't simulate games in practice and toms such a perfectionest  lol 

every other team has the backup QB come in or runs BRADY pads his stats with meaningless TD'S against the stink in the league

 in the 9 games this year that  brady plays against the teams that collectively were 27-75 last year he will put up a bunch of meanless TD'S  and yards 

 But watch him when he plays the Ravens and 49ERS ill bet he has more picks then TDs and throws for very little yards


The NFL  is a bad product right now  ,Rookie QB's are all looking good from the get go,  when before it took years, its not as big a jump as it was before from college to the NFL ..

Brady could be replaced very easy , the year that he was out Matt Cassel who i consider a below average starting QB ,had not played a single game in college , he went 11-5 and hadn't played since high school , everyone has made too much of Brady who is just a system QB .

FadeOnly says:
08/26/12 03:47PM
Cheers to the STINK!
MYSTICRICH says:
08/26/12 03:52PM


hey ,  lets hold are noses and try to make some money


buffalo11 says:
08/26/12 04:09PM
OH NO!!!! it's preseason and the patriots are playing bad!! put a fork in them lucky to win 4 games this year blhahahaa
MYSTICRICH says:
08/26/12 04:18PM
No i  think at worst 11-5 but probably 12-4 or 13-3  because of all  the STINK   in those  9 games they play  teams 27 -75  how can they not win at least 11 or 12 games 
MYSTICRICH says:
08/26/12 04:21PM
to me so far Miami Buffalo and the Jets look even worst then last year if that's possible 
2169 says:
08/26/12 05:12PM
Doesn't TB play a two-deep defense like Chicago? I think those defenses make qbs throw short passes. 
MYSTICRICH says:
08/26/12 05:34PM
0-10 yds 83%  of the time  this  is what Brady is and has been  for a long time, 

 this works  against  the STINK in the league but if you notice when he plays against the few teams that have decent  defenses like baltimore  , dallas and the giants  he struggles big time .

in bad weather games  high wind rain snow Brady does well cause he dosen't  have to alter his game,one bit ,   he still throws the 0-10 yd passes and the receivers have a big advantage if the footing is slippery .
buffalo11 says:
08/26/12 05:41PM


you must be new to the NFL, TEAMS DONT CARE TO WIN PRESEASON!  the goal is to stay healthy
Biscuiteater1 says:
08/26/12 05:45PM
Think what his stats would be without Randy Moss.Any time the Pats play a team with a good linebacker crew, take the inflated number.And its a lot easier to call plays when you know the other teams defensive sets.but those days are gone.Most over- rated qb in modern times IMOBut having said all that, he is still a good qb.
MYSTICRICH says:
08/26/12 05:51PM

 trust me the New York Jets are not pleased with not being able to score a TD or the fact their QB'S are  getting killed ,  are you even watching ?
Biscuiteater1 says:
08/26/12 05:58PM
but i believe the pats are the best cover team in the last decade or 2. i could be wrong about that.
MYSTICRICH says:
08/26/12 06:08PM


for sure no back door cover here 

, like i said this coach lets Tommy boy pad his stats big time  he's still out there throwing against the STINK late in games . when other teams put in the backup or just Run the clock out . Brady's throwing meaningless TD'S
bizkilla says:
08/26/12 11:32PM
Steelers, Pats, Giants and to a degree the Eagles have been the top teams of the last decade.
JakeLake720 says:
08/27/12 12:13AM
Brady is a good, solid quarterback, he just isn't the second coming..I agree that many overrate him, but plenty of teams would love to have him..
MYSTICRICH says:
08/27/12 08:13AM
one correction on this post

 the patriots will play 4 games against teams that were over 500 last year  Titans , Ravens, 49er and  Houston 

I  missed the PATS first game opponent TENNESSEE who finished 9-7
last season ..

 The Titans are a team i don't have a feel for right now , they were kinda a hard team to gauge last  year also  i didn't play any  games involving them last year .that's why i didn't think of them .

Titans Going with Jake  Loker  i think easy choice  
Line is 6.5 right now  Public always  with the Pats  too much respect here for Patriots on the  road .remember they didn't beat a team over 500 last  season , .

like i say i don't have a feel for the Titans,  but with how the Pats are looking so far they might have a problem opening on the road vs any one , i see value getting 6.5 points here . 
 
  

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CanadaCup says:
08/27/12 09:10AM

Sanchez & Tebow looked terrible last night against Carolina. Jet fans are in for a long season of misery.

tjohnsont says:
08/27/12 09:13AM

Alot of your points don't make much sense.  It's not up to Brady where he throws.  When Moss was around he threw to him when Moss was open.  The receivers on the team are not known to be deep threats and if that is the coach's team design then that is what Brady goes with.  Brady is good at what he does.

   You mention Brady got outplayed by the QBs of the Jets, Ravens etc.  Do you notice all those teams have a run game and good defense?  When everyone knows the Pats don't have much of a defense or run game and they know Brady will be thowing the ball most of the time and Brady and co. still beats these teams what does that tell you?   Think about it, Brady is known to carry his team to wins and if you are claiming 'statistically' that opposing QBs have outplayed him and they have better d and run game then why didn't they win.  At the end of the day, it's what team that wins that matters.   And that is why Eli isn't given all the credit since everyone that has watched football knows the Giants have an underrated defense.

tjohnsont says:
08/27/12 09:18AM

Pats do have a soft schedule but that's not their fault that the rest of their division sucks.  Pats play about 6 playoff worthy teams on their schedule.

Look at Houston, they play only about 4 legit playoff worthy teams.

MYSTICRICH says:
08/27/12 10:04AM

have no idea what your talking about lets just  take the Jets playoff game the patriots had beaten the Jets 45-3 a month earlier,  now this 14-2 patriots team comes in  as  9.5 to DD favorite at home 
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No one gave the JETS a chance, but the fact is Sanchez made the key plays  to win the game  Brady made the bone head plays to lose the game  , this guy has played like a Stiff when it counts don't make excuses .
MYSTICRICH says:
08/27/12 10:06AM


who said it was the Pats fault?  i said the NFL is a bad product there are  way  too many bad teams. 
tjohnsont says:
08/27/12 10:09AM

I bet the Jets that game so I can't agree with you on that one playoff game a few seasons ago.

How can it be the NFL's fault when the Pats division is weak.  Once Manning was injured, Houston was given their division.    I don't think the NFL planned it that way so how can it be their fault?

MYSTICRICH says:
08/27/12 10:21AM

how stupid is it to hire Tony Sparano  as OC
 you hire a head coach of a team that started out 0-7 last year
a head coach of a team that  couldn't  score  any points, does it make any sense

 it like an old boys club ,they never go away they just keep hiring each other.

MYSTICRICH says:
08/27/12 10:31AM


 who saying its anyone fault  ? or the NFL planing things ? i'm just stating this facts the whole league STINKS  too many 2-14,  4-12,  teams , 
maybe they should look at their Draft structure the bad teams are not catching up quick enough
tjohnsont says:
08/27/12 10:59AM

You said:  ' i said the NFL is a bad product there are  way  too many bad teams'  

Isn't that faulting NFL?

 

Ducati says:
08/27/12 11:01AM



Skipster says:
08/27/12 12:33PM
Some of this is debatable, but as far as this season goes, the Patriot OL (for lack of a better word) certainly stinks--at least so far.  Brady could get killed this year if this keeps up.  I've spent the pre-season just watching line play, and the Patriots have some of the worst I've seen.
MYSTICRICH says:
08/27/12 02:26PM
As far as the OL goes with his 83% 0-10 yds  ball out quick  and most times in shotgun he rarely gets to touched.

But i have to laugh though  i see every QB get hit, but when someone finally touches Brady , its like god we can't have that 

 Cutler    who does throw the ball downfield was getting murdered Sanchez last year had no chance 

 Payton Manning took a big hit in the game with 49ers yesterday i didn't hear any whining about the OL , but Brady gets hit call 911
MYSTICRICH says:
08/27/12 02:45PM
speaking of cutler last year his OL was so bad yet he took hits and played threw it and played very well
 ,
 before he got hurt last year he was playing as well as any QB in the league and chicago as a team looked very good , 

Cutler could finally have his break out year this season  he has alot of talent .
mafioso says:
08/27/12 03:16PM
Pats are going to have a bad year, But it has nothing to do with Tom Brady or the skill position players.
The O-line is in disarray with hall of fame O linemen retiring and the other two injured, Brady will not get any time to find his weapons, I doubt it can be fixed this season.
HutchEmAll says:
08/27/12 03:19PM
Some good points made here but IMO, the offense is tailored to the personnel.  He did throw it down the field when he had Moss.  You have two TE's like that and a phenomenal slot receiver, you use them accordingly.  

And they may have had a cream puff schedule for the most part last year, but they also generally beat people up pretty bad.  They lost the SB to a very good Giants team by 4 points.  

I think you might want to wait and see how things go this year before starting with the hate so soon.  Maybe the league has caught up a bit......but that still hasn't been proven.  
HutchEmAll says:
08/27/12 03:21PM
Not to mention, people talk about the bad O-line.  Of course you're not going to jump in Raiders of yore mode and stretch the field.  That requires time.  
mafioso says:
08/27/12 03:59PM
Mystics post was well thought out and he brings up a few valid points, Only Problem is and forgive me if Im stepping out of bounds here but, Due to his Anti Brady/Anti Patriots posts over the years, It is difficult to take anything he says regarding the pats seriously, Ill be honest here, When I see mystics name, I think to myself YAAAAAAWN, Here it comes, another anti Brady post, Its a shame because as I said He does bring up valid points here, Unfortunately however, His post will fall on deaf ears to those who already know the content before they even look at it.
HutchEmAll says:
08/27/12 04:21PM
 before he got hurt last year he was playing as well as any QB in the league and chicago as a team looked very good 
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58% completion percentage.....13 TD's and 7 INT's in 10 games.   In a division full of bad defenses.

And you talk about him standing in their and getting murdered like he deserves a medal.  Well, he got hurt.  
HutchEmAll says:
08/27/12 04:36PM
Brady's stats through first 10 games last year:

65% completion percentage.....25 TD's, and 10 INT's.

And that includes games against NYG, Pitt, Jets, Oakland, and Dallas.

And also, Eli Manning threw 50 more deep balls last year than Brady and what other QB?













That would be Aaron Rodgers.

More than one way to skin a cat.  Brady and Rodgers seem to skin them just fine.  
MYSTICRICH says:
08/27/12 04:50PM

i hear you, but its a balancing act and the reason i feel it needs to  be repeated is when i constantly  hear that Brady is the greatest QB ever to play the game , and this ridiculous talk  is out there .

 and every  other QB when talked about they say well he's no Tom Brady , its like every one is delusional , when it comes to this guy ,

  the media type cast all these QBs early as winners or losers .and no mater how good or bad they play , they stick with the same thing .

being in their stinky division and  the advantage of only having to win two home playoff games every year  to have  the  chance to win a championship  

 not having won anything the last 7 years has a lot to do with the so called  greatest QB to ever play the game .
tjohnsont says:
08/27/12 05:07PM

So it's Brady's fault that the refs are calling these penalties?  or you didn't say that

jaime2309 says:
08/27/12 05:16PM
I would want to stink like Brady.....
tjohnsont says:
08/27/12 05:17PM

Since you don't consider Brady the best QB playing since you said he only won one ring in a span of many seasons then I would think you would think the same about Peyton.  So who do you think is the best QB in the league right now besides Rodgers?    let me guess, it's Eli since he has two rings 

MYSTICRICH says:
08/27/12 05:22PM


ha ha  that's funny and  boy does  everyone like to pile on these replacement  officials

 does anyone remember how bad some of the old ones were

  i could do fine with a year without  Ed Hochuli displaying his muscles , and explaining every call to me like 'im a 5 year old  
tjohnsont says:
08/27/12 05:34PM

You're obviously much smarter and got it all figured out compared to most of us so I'm sure the ref wasn't directly trying to explain to you since you already know it all. He was trying to explain to the rest of us that are asking for a reasonable explanation of the situation.

   It's tough to be a ref.  Some want a reasonable explanation while others rather not hear it and make their own assumption.  So damn if they do and damn if they don't.  How can they win.

MYSTICRICH says:
08/27/12 05:41PM

rings and super bowls in themselves  mean nothing to me when its a 3 game championship .

too much is made of  Rings , i watch the games and performances of players   to know who's good and bad 

if kyle williams don't fumble twice , give Alex Smith a Ring and take one away from Eli . See so Rings in themselves  mean nothing in  I evaluating a QB talent on what i see 




Junior316 says:
08/27/12 05:49PM

Wow this is my new favorite thread . Finally someone with a brain. I've been telling people this exact thing for years now and they look at me like im crazy and jealous. The guy is a fraud, a system qb.

Hello? The only good team these pretenders beat last year were the Cowboys in a game they shouldve have LOST. They lost to the Giants THREE times, Steelers and the lions. Not to mention the game the Ravens blew in the AFC Championship.

I approve this thread

tjohnsont says:
08/27/12 06:06PM
So what do you see?  
tjohnsont says:
08/27/12 06:10PM

Junior- couldn't you also say the same for Ravens if they won the SB and also Giants?   Ravens barely got by a rookie QB Houston team.  Giants barely made it past SF.  SF would have barely made it past Giants. 

So what's wrong with Pats barely getting by Ravens.  Brady made a mental mistake which turned into an int- if that didn't happen the game wouldn't be that close. 

 

MYSTICRICH says:
08/27/12 06:14PM
junior your absolutely right on that Dallas game , Dallas had the pats beat , Brady's little  dinking  and dunking  wasn't  working  against the Dallas D

But a  horrible coaching job  by Jason Garret who played not to lose the game bailed the pats out on that day 


Junior316 says:
08/27/12 06:27PM

Rob Ryan had him all figured out man Brady couldnt do **** all i watched the game. They had the game won just poor clock management by Garrett cost them the game at the end.

Which bring me to my next point, why dont other teams mirror Rob Ryan or Dick Lebeaus defense when playing the pats? You jam the receivers and Brady cant do his little bull**** dink and dunk passes. The problem is you need a great pass rush from your D-line cause once you blitz linebackers or safeties, Welker/Gronk/Hernandez present too many mismatches.

I never got how nobody else see's this with Brady they all have media blinder goggles on its a joke

Wizerguy says:
08/27/12 06:49PM

I know one thing.. Ive been making a boat load betting against him in certain situations past few years

2011

@pitt  (as a -3 RF)

Baltimore   ( -7)

 NYG in SB and @ home as a 9pt fav ( )

Indy   (as a 20pt fav)

Dallas    (-6.5) ( Dallas blew that game)

Cant wait to see some of the lines this year.

 

 

 

Wizerguy says:
08/27/12 06:55PM
What game was he watching  Pre-season gm#3 was the tune up game to strut your stuff. Miami Jets and Buffalo do look bad pre-season or not.
Junior316 says:
08/27/12 07:02PM

Im not talking about barely getting by, thats not the point here. I'm talking about Brady's inflated numbers and doing this with "smoking mirrors". The number do NOT reflect this guy's talent. The guy can't throw the deep ball effectively and make big plays without his receivers making plays after the catch. That's why he got beat by Eli in the Superbowl cause in the clutch Eli has the ability to make that 'one special play', Brady doesn't.

It just seems like the hand of god is over Brady & co. when the going gets tough, whether it be the tuck rule or Torrey Smith not being able to haul in a easy touchdown or Cundiff missing a chip shot.

Whatever, I dont need to plead my case Any hardcore fan with a deep knowledge of the game should be able to see this, good to see it doesn't go unnoticed on this forum either,

tjohnsont says:
08/27/12 07:19PM

Brady did good in the last Super Bowl.  Eli's numbers are a little better but that is because Eli is playing against a much weaker defense and Giants have a running game.  Not taking much away from Eli either since he is a very capable QB. 

That was the difference.

MYSTICRICH says:
08/27/12 07:25PM

 if you know he throws 83% 0-10 yds and he has trouble completing passes 20 yds or longer it because a much small area to defend . 

 being physical on the snap  at the line with  the receivers , it all pretty simple but , i don't see enough of this  .

Sometimes i think these coaches try to make things more complicated than they need to be  in order to justify their jobs and salary's

 
robbie0570 says:
08/27/12 09:40PM
patriots nation baby 
MYSTICRICH says:
08/27/12 09:59PM
the patriots combine all the short stuff  with up tempo quick to the line no huddle,  which causes teams not being able to change personal tired players confusion so its effective . 

for years we have seen teams that can't move on offense  , then go into a two minute drill before half time or at the end of a game and move the ball at will . 

why more teams don't  teams mimic this to some degree ? 
,good question
kevmode says:
08/27/12 11:58PM
I agree with op and love this thread.
don-juan says:
08/28/12 09:08AM

Say what you wish about Brady.. but he is Money

The last 2 years he's is 32-5 wins. 15-1 at home.

If you played N.E. on the money line only at home, you'd be way ahead. 

don-juan says:
08/28/12 09:12AM

Clarify.. 27 wins 5 losses.. in 2 years, straight up.

15 wins 1 loss at home...in 2 years, straight up

tjohnsont says:
08/28/12 09:18AM

It's amusing that some people ask WHY?  Everyone knows how the Pats play so Why don't teams use same strategy that Giants used?  Why don't teams prep for the no huddle offense?  Why don't other teams duplicate the Pats offensive success?

That's the same questions people and teams say about Lebron- Why don't you double team?  Why don't you plug up the paint?  He likes to drive to the hoop- why not do this and that?  This player guards him well, so why not copy the way that guy plays?

I think all this questions are self explanatory.  Also, ask yourself, WHY is it that me and my buddies notice this but it seems like all the coaches in the NFL don't take notice?    OK genuises. 

MYSTICRICH says:
08/28/12 10:05AM

this just proves what a stiff Brady  has been,  they never  lose at home,   until the post season when it  counts . 

don-juan says:
08/28/12 11:39AM

A stiff ? Are you serious ?  5 Superbowls ? and 2 losses on a fluke catch from Eli within the final minutes.. Was that his fault ? He did his job. 

I would guarantee you that 26 teams would trade for him in a NY minute..Look at all the teams that tried to get Peyton.

Let me ask you.. If you were the captain in scrimmage game on a field near your house.  And you were able to choose player and any Quarterback, out of today's starters in the NFL And, you were first to choose. Who would you take ?

I guess you'd take Eli because you're probably from NY.  But everyone else would take Brady.

FadeOnly says:
08/28/12 12:01PM

In a pick up game??  I'm taking Tebow all day!
HutchEmAll says:
08/28/12 12:25PM

before Cutler got hurt last year he was playing as well as any QB in the league and chicago as a team looked very good 


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13 TD's and 7 INT's in 10 games.  
HutchEmAll says:
08/28/12 12:33PM
Which bring me to my next point, why dont other teams mirror Rob Ryan or Dick Lebeaus defense when playing the pats? You jam the receivers and Brady cant do his little bull**** dink and dunk passes
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Because you have to have the personnel to do it.  And most teams don't. Sign of a good offense?  You basically tell the defense exactly what you are going to do and you still have success.

The Pats defense was HORRIBLE last year and they still went 13-3, went to the SB, and lost by 4 points.

Don't forget, NE was ahead in that game until the FINAL MINUTE.

Brady had solid numbers in the SB (other than the INT, they were VERY similar to Manning's numbers).  And the Giant's defense was 34 times better than the Pat's defense.

Ya gotta love all the hate.  
HutchEmAll says:
08/28/12 12:37PM
And lest you not forget the pass Wes Welker dropped on 3rd down from the Giants 44 yard line late in the 3rd quarter.  
MYSTICRICH says:
08/28/12 01:47PM


 at the start of the season Cutler couldn't even hand off the ball without getting tacked, the OL ws so bad  he never threw a pass without getting hit , 

13 -7 was really  good for what he faced ,plus he had no one really to throw to  his passes had to be pin point not much seperation and was always under duress you cant just look at stats ,

 if Brady was on the bears in   those 10 games his stats would have looked something like this 5 TD's 15 INT's 

Cutler hasn't put it all together yet   but has the talent to do it 
HutchEmAll says:
08/28/12 01:54PM
13 -7 was really  good for what he faced ,plus he had no one really to throw to  his passes had to be pin point not much seperation and was always under duress you cant just look at stats
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You said he was playing as well as anyone in the league.  Certainly not true, bad offensive line or not


if Brady was on the bears in   those 10 games his stats would have looked something like this 5 TD's 15 INT's 

You don't know that.  Complete guess on your part.  
HutchEmAll says:
08/28/12 01:55PM
You just have to face facts.  The Pats basically tell you what they are going to do on offense and then they go out and do it.  Brady leads that offense.  Quit hating.  
MYSTICRICH says:
08/28/12 02:15PM


yes its a guess,  but a good one  if Brady was on Chicago  in those 10 games and threw the same type of  passes that Cutler was attempting,  and not his usual  screens,  bubble screens, wide receiver screens  and a whole bunch of   and 10 yd outs and a bunch of 3 and 4 yd passes, this would be the result

hey  just look at last years playoffs and super bowl Stats 

Balls BRADY threw 20yd's in the air or longer he was 0-13 with 2 INT'S      PATHETIC   Hall of Fame stuff huh? 
wbeamiii says:
08/28/12 04:22PM

Dont forget.... when the Pats were winning championships, they were also creating SpyGate!!!!  since they got busted, they haven't won anything.  Its amazing what you can do when you cheat!!

hawgpix says:
08/28/12 04:30PM
nice points
MYSTICRICH says:
08/28/12 06:50PM


 First Brady played horrible in that first half of that super bowl 

No i'm not from NY , and no i wouldn't take ELI

Aaron Rogers and Peyton Manning (pre neck surgery)  hands down most talent. 

I like QB's that can throw the ball 30-50 yd's down field with velocity and  accuracy .

I don't like QB's that make a living off throwing bubble screens and 10 to 15 yd passes to tight ends and  can't complete a pass over 20yd's,  it just doesn't excite me .

These two QB's if you put either of them on the patriots the last decade being in their STINKFEST of a division they would have won a minimum of 7-10 super bowls

Brady has more to do with the fact they haven't won 7-10 than the fact that they have won 3 , it was the defense that won those 3


metalbill says:
08/28/12 07:18PM

if's n but's were candy n nuts...love em or hate em, the Patriots with Brady at the helm have been and still are a quality football team.

Brady is a top 5 qb in the NFL, (has been for years) whether you like him or not. this is a fact man.

kickinA says:
08/28/12 07:31PM
Great posts Rich.
MYSTICRICH says:
08/28/12 07:35PM


what your not getting is the Patriots are a superior team the  better coached team in  a horrible division of  stinky league over all and his stats are so inflated against all the stink .

 and now Brady at 35  Top 5?  please  i have to keep repeating this but the year he was out Matt Cassel who is a below average NFL  QB and  hadn't played since high school and went 11-5

 come on  its One big STINKFEST  you could replace Brady with 40 QB.s and they would still win 11 -16 games a season  


metalbill says:
08/28/12 08:09PM

the guy is smart, works with what he's got, goes deep when he has deep threats, Branch, Moss. Now he has 2 wicked T.E. and Welker so he dinks and dunks ya all the way down the field. whatever works for ya. bottom line is he wins a hell of alot more than he loses.

ya his division is garbage, he don't pick his opponents. and ya he has one of the best coaches in the business. he got luck that way i suppose.

"you could replace Brady with 40 Q.B. and still win 12-16 games a season" hmm o.k. i can't agree with you on that one man. guy has won some pretty big/tough games in his career.

MYSTICRICH says:
08/28/12 08:45PM
i'm just throwing out a crazy number it could be 30 ,  ' Qb's young and old  with more talent than Matt Cassel,  it just wouldn't  be that hard  and Matt Cassel won 11 games , have to keep making the point, that  he  had  last played in high school  , 

 and I  think the patriots have a bigger gap in talent  from the rest of the teams in the league right now than the year Matt Cassel  played . 


pirate68 says:
08/28/12 09:08PM
dont bash the UOFM alum..  he rocks.....
MYSTICRICH says:
08/28/12 09:15PM
no question redbook  but you can't take anything away from Rogers or Peyton Manning both gr8 talents.
JasonBravo says:
08/28/12 11:45PM

Ever since that tuck rule game in 2001, where Brady fumbled  but got the advantage i've never been a fan of him, he's over inflated and im not even a Raiders fan. I'd take Sanchez any day..

 

Or maybe even Tebow

MYSTICRICH says:
08/29/12 07:13AM
  Colt McCoy   here is a QB that you could pick up from the scrap heap for nothing,  start him for the New England Patriots and he would Excel 

before all the rolling laughing faces come out

 Would i start a team with Colt McCoy  NO, can Colt elevate a bad team to be good  no , no more than Brady could 

if you put Brady on cleveland the last 5 years he probably isn't in football now.

McCoy got the shit beat out him the last few years , this type of beating , hits  mentally and physically and diminishes talent .and can break a career .

i think he's a tough kid and a competitor  with something to prove 

this Patriot system is the same thing Colt  ran in Texas shotgun up tempo ball control passes  it all the same,  he can make any throw that Brady can   he's a better athlete than Brady also  10year younger.

the pats could get him for nothing  he's better than both  Hoyer and Mallett 

Once again let me point  out the Patriots won 11 games with a QB that hadn't played since high school .never played a single game in college.

Now i talking about a guy who was one of the best college QB's runner up for heisman Trophy  threw 112 TD's in his college career and made it to a National Championship game.

I know it will never ever happen,  cause no one thinks out of the box in the NFL 


Ducati says:
08/29/12 08:03AM


Cassels succeeded cuz of Moss, Welker and all the pieces were in place..using one year where Brady got injured is dumb! Just cus Cassels did well doesnot mean any "top 40" cando what Brady does.

Funny how the Pats started winning when a guy nme Brady showed up.
Brady never had a great back to work with and with the exception of Moss he never had a deep threat. They game plan around what he has at his disposal...so if it's dinks and dunks then thats what it'll be. If it's so obvious thats all he does then why can't teams stop him??? huh...if it's soooo easy then why don't other team copy what the Pats do? because not every team has Tom MOTHERFUCKING BRADY!! thats why!!


MYSTICRICH says:
08/29/12 08:18AM
so when cassel is the QB he benefits  from everyone else that around him .

 but when Brady QB  it's only because of him 

makes alot of sense  
MYSTICRICH says:
08/29/12 08:44AM
i'm all through talking about this stuff , i've said everything i had to say , it was fun, thanks,   it passed the time for me , kinda bored waiting for the football season to start 

now lets focus on making some money this season 


BOL   everyone  

  
Ducati says:
08/29/12 08:56AM


How's Cassels doing now? Think Moss would have been so great in '07 while still in Oak or any other team? What was Welker doing in Miami huh?

Doesn't matter if he throws bombs or not. If he can manage games, don't throw picks and does what he's suppose to do and win that's all that matters!

I say dink and dunk the whole way up the field like the early 2000's  if other teams can't defend it then too fucking bad. JUST WIN who cares how it's done.
Jamound09 says:
08/29/12 09:12AM

Brady not a top 5 qb in the NFL now....HAHAHA...name me 5 qb's better....I would give you Brees and Rodgers...that is about it and it can be argued Brady is better.  Brady is probably a top 5 qb that has ever played in the NFL.

He doesn't attempt many passes down field because the offense isn't designed that way.  There are no speed burners on the Pats offense so why throw it down field.  I think it is amazing how Brady completes these passes under 20yds when everyone knows that is where he is going and his accuracy allows the recievers to pick up those YAC's.

Sure his stats were bad on passes over 20yds, but like I said, he did not have the weapons to throw down field.  How was he on passes over 20yds when he set all those single season qb records.

Joe Montana threw many balls under 20yds that Jerry Rice took to the house.  Would you say there were 5 qbs better than him because he didn't throw the ball over 20yds.

Brady will do it again this year and eventually you gotta give the guy credit when year in and year out he is at the top of the league in every statistical category and he is at the top of the league in the most important stat; team record. 

 

 

tjohnsont says:
08/29/12 12:34PM

Bill Bellichek, Tom Brady, patchwork offense and mostly no name skill players, 3 rings, almost another 2 rings if it wasn't for the Giants balanced team, just win mentality, Brady has a better TD/Int ratio than Peyton in playoffs, crap defense.  

 

MYSTICRICH 

Junior316 says:
08/30/12 12:45AM

WTF are "no name skill players"?? LOL you obviously know jack shit about football..

2001- Troy Brown (voted into Pats HOF) just another 'patchwork' player huh? Kevin Faulk pretty decent back. OH and a defense ranked 6th.

2003- Troy Brown, Kevin Faulk.. Meh not the best but uh oh wait.. FIRST ranked defense.

2004- Again Troy Brown, Deion Branch, and Corey Dillon in his prime.. just a few more chumps. OH their defense that year? ranked 2nd.

Brady hasn't had the best supporting cast offensively BUT in the 3 years he won the Superbowl his defenses were ranked; 1st, 2nd, and 6th respectively. Who was the mastermind behind that defense? Romeo Crennel. A damn good coordinator. So enough with all that "Brady has to do it all himself for them to win" because it IS NOT TRUE.

The years Brady "led" his team to a championship he had a top defense, I admit in the last few years if the Pats want a chance at a Superbowl Brady has to do it all for them to win it all. But guess what? HE CANT he hasnt done it in 8 years and counting!!! He isnt the greatest of all time not even close so some of you please get your heads out of your asses.

There it is, the Tom Brady "greatness'' myth finally debunked.

na1here says:
08/30/12 01:34AM
  Stupid ass thread
JoeToo says:
08/30/12 08:12AM
I always imagined - what if Romo, Rogers or Manning played in NE. Talk about a super run. Brady would not last 5 minutes behind Dallas's o'line. It's the system, Brady sucks and Bellichick is a genius.
MadDog77 says:
08/30/12 08:48AM
Mysticrich says, "i would take just about anyone over him in a playoff game 

, he plays on the better team but loses every time"

 with the exception of besting Tebow last year, when has he outplayed any  other teams QB? 

That's a great point, you really know football.
MYSTICRICH says:
08/30/12 09:32AM

hey i said i was all done with this but you sucked me back  in buddy,

  this statement was either  taken out of context. or I screwed up,  but this is what i wanted to say 

in last 3 years, in the post season there isn't a QB who has played any worst then Brady  in the NFL , .

 the Denver win was the first  playoff game the patriots won in three years  , and the only game where Brady was the better QB on the field that day . and this is a fact .


tjohnsont says:
08/30/12 09:40AM

Junior- 'I admit in the last few years if the Pats want a chance at a Superbowl Brady has to do it all for them to win it all. But guess what? HE CANT he hasnt done it in 8 years and counting!!!'

I didn't know Brady also played defense.  I always thought it was a team sport.  

Basically everything you say about Brady can also be said about Peyton and Rodgers so I guess they all suck. 

Any team besides Giants and I think the Pats would have gotten another 2 rings regardless of the Pats horrible d, and that's saying alot. 

onebrokebloke says:
08/30/12 10:07AM

The length of his passes seems to have no bearing on his overall passing numbers...he would have broke Marino's record last year if Brees didnt. It's no FYI that the last deep threat they have had over the last 10 years is Randy Moss also - He and Brady broke touchdown marks when he was in town.

I don't believe they're called checkdowns either, rather a progression of reads. They never really send anyone vertical to create a 'checkdown' in the first place. The game against Baltimore in the playoffs last year is what is probably standing out the most in peoples' minds. His career stats are remarkable with 300td's to 115int's and around 40k yards and a 63.8 completion percentage. The Pats have something like 9 10-win seasons in a row.

Also, this is a forum for gambling discussion. I don't see what the hell this has to do with the Pats ATS

MYSTICRICH says:
08/30/12 10:35AM
id like to thank  Tom Brady for playing like a stiff the last 3 years in the post season,  and all his supporters , i say keep it up , it's been money .

 i've made my biggest scores in the last three years just knowing that he was going to SUCK

 thanks again 
Allbutbroke says:
08/30/12 11:01AM

Well one thing is for sure, when it comes to sucking you are clearly at the top of the class.  I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for you. 
MYSTICRICH says:
08/30/12 11:11AM
 its always good to have an edge pal ,

 that's what trying to win at this game is all about , so feel good for me.

and i'm so sorry i offend you for not loving Tom Brady .
tjohnsont says:
08/30/12 12:41PM

Brady sucks.  You suck.  They all suck.  Who cares loverboy. 

Stop your whining and post your winners...

MYSTICRICH says:
08/30/12 02:09PM
  hey tjohnsont  all this stuff seems to be way over your head 

, i never could understand where you were coming  since nothing from you   makes any sense.

 .Now i understand your where your coming from,  your  just an inpatient DG gambler.

 why don't you get lost in one of those 1st quarter lock posts , there are plenty of those out there for you to drool over ..
capskip says:
08/31/12 09:25AM
Won 2 super bowl which really should have been 4.Oh ya short passes to Moss,Branch,etc,etc.TB

is still the best qb in the NFL,and keep throwing quick short passes.Another Super Bowl 2013

Biscuiteater1 says:
09/01/12 09:50AM
one thing i'll never understand about the Patriots organization is how they have never got their hands on a top flight rb.It seems to me they could have.
MYSTICRICH says:
09/01/12 11:30AM
Ben Jarvus Green  good  back always going forward  and he  never fumbled,  which is big 

2 and 12 usually a draw play to woodhead and he always gets 9 or 10 

the running game has done well , despite the fact that Brady's passing game is like a running game  it  don't create as much space for the runners.
MYSTICRICH says:
09/01/12 11:33AM
big mistake letting green go   i think Ridley could  be a big  fumbler
kevmode says:
09/02/12 09:45AM


STFU with that Tom Brady go pats love.  I hope Brady goes out with an injury, sick of hearing about this overrated qb.  With the game on the line give me a manning.
MYSTICRICH says:
09/02/12 09:54AM
 just facts pats will win their  division every year because it STINKS

.but don't make  it such a big feat getting to the super bowl  5 times when all it requires is winning two home playoff games 

and last year was  a big  farse getting to play against an 8-8 Denver team at home 

 then getting outplayed by the Ravens and lucking out 

just looking at it for what it is   

 
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