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Lakers-Magic - don't ignore the regular season stats

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Posted Tuesday, June 09, 2009 08:36 AM   133 comments
A lot of gamblers will mistakenly tell you that regular season results are meaningless when handicapping playoff games, but those guys are usually the ones who have no idea how to go about doing any research, not to mention probably being too lazy to bother.  The fact is, regular season results are a valuable body of evidence in revealing the true personality of a team.  And over an 82-game NBA regular season, certain tendencies, both good and bad, become so obvious in their repetition that they practically wave to you like an old friend.  And if you can find tendencies that continue into the playoffs, or better yet - become even stronger - well, now you've really got something.  Luckily for us, this year's NBA Finals pits two teams that have enjoyed stability and success for at least several seasons, and over the last two seasons, few major roster changes (with the exception of the rigged trade for Pau Gasol, who played in 59 games for the Lakers last season).
 
Both of these teams have developed a distinct character.  Everyone is more familiar with that of the Lakers because they get much more media coverage than any other team in the league.  Orlando's is more of a secret to the casual fan or bettor, but the Magic have quietly become the most dangerous team in basketball when seeking revenge, and no other team rights the ship faster following a loss than the Orlando Magic.
 
I hope the "experts" on ESPN don't harp on this today, but as most of us around here know, the Magic are pretty good at home following a loss.  Last season, the 52-30 Magic played 18 home games following a loss and went 14-4.  This season, the team that won 59 games went a perfect 12-0 at home off a loss (8-4 ATS), and in the playoffs they've played even better, not only winning all five games but covering the spread each time, too.  Here are the five games:
 
 
April 22 - After losing Game 1 to the Sixers, the Magic, laying 8.5, won 96-87
 
May 8th - After losing Game 2 in Boston, the Magic, laying 4.5, won 117-96
 
May 14th - After losing Game 5 in Boston, the Magic, laying 7, won 83-75
 
May 24th - After losing Game 2 in Cleveland, the Magic, laying 1.5, won 99-89
 
May 30th - After losing Game 5 in Cleveland, the Magic, laying 2, won 103-90
 
 
 
So for those taking the Lakers on the moneyline, your task is simple.  All you need is for your team (famous for picking and choosing their better efforts), to win on the home floor of a team that's won 31 of their last 35 home games when playing off a loss.  All you need is for your team to do it against a team that hasn't lost once in this spot this season in 17 tries, and who's won those 17 games by an average of 15.7 points per game. 
 
By the way, the Lakers are a poor 1-3 over the last two playoff seasons on the road when leading a series two games to none, winning only in Denver last year against a Nuggets team they own.  This is further evidence of the fact that the Lakers usually don't come to play when their homecourt advantage is not threatened.  In fact, between this year and last, the Lakers are a money-burning 4-8 ATS on the road in the playoffs when they have the homecourt advantage in the series.  But when they had it, but then lost it, they're a solid 2-0 SU & ATS in trying to regain it.  If the Lakers had lost Game 2 to the Magic, I might very well be on them tonight, but they lucked out, so it's a whole different story for Game 3.
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BestKeptSecret says:
06/09/09 08:55AM
well whatever it my be, hat was a nice write-up mr.bator...

i'm still leaning Lakers +4 as of right now and the OVER 198...

 

still undecided, but i'll post my plays later on today in the afternoon...

 

gL

ManassaMauler says:
06/09/09 09:02AM
lonetreejj says:
06/09/09 09:10AM
Damn!!!!  I read that entire essay on trends.... got down to The_Hulk's Avatar.... and promptly forgot everything I'd read.

 

 

 

Nah.... Already got some Magic at -3 (bt the hook), Thinkin about adding some at -4.

 

Great write up Bator. Many thanks for sharing 

 

 BOL

charlielo55 says:
06/09/09 09:10AM
Good stuff Bator
Cugine says:
06/09/09 09:21AM
bayougambler says:
06/09/09 09:22AM
Great writeup Bator on the Magic with you.Let get the green
bayougambler says:
06/09/09 09:22AM
Great writeup Bator on the Magic with you.Let get the green
andarmac99 says:
06/09/09 09:27AM
Outstanding stuff.  

 

I'm already on the Magic again but may have to squeak in a little more.

 

Are you going to play the spread, ML or both? I chickened out and put most of my money on this game on the ML and will add more if it goes down.

 

It's not a terrible price at -180 or so and I don't know why but I am scared that the "man with the scowl" will do everything he can to keep this close, regardless of what the rest of his team does. Even though I do feel confident the Magic cover the 4, I feel even more confident that the Magic will win this game. I would be mad beyond belief if I laid it all on the -4 and Orlando ended up winning by 2.

Retburj13 says:
06/09/09 09:28AM
Joey Homer Crawford is reffin tonite

so Orlando lookin decent

gl
tito40 says:
06/09/09 09:35AM


wow, i thought at first you were just making a joke...but no, it was a serious inquiry
165yds says:
06/09/09 09:49AM
great stuff bator no one i respect more as far as handicapping goes, liked magic game 2 and after your read loved it and pounded game double the original units.
MrBator says:
06/09/09 09:55AM

 

 

Spread only.  In fact, if anyone wants to take the Lakers at either +3.5 +110 or +4 +100, I've had my offers sitting there all night at Matchbook untouched.  Come on, Laker backers, get in there and make your mistake!

MrBator says:
06/09/09 10:01AM

 

 

Kobe talked after Game 2 about how the Lakers would "kick it up a notch" when they reach Orlando, but it's just that, talk.  He's thinking wishfully, wishing that his team could bring the kind of intensity they brought to more urgent games like Game 3 in Houston and Game 3 in Denver.  But a tiger doesn't change its stripes, and a team that consistently evaluates each game on the Importance Meter and then plays accordingly isn't suddenly going to bring their jailhouse defense to a Game 3 when they're up by two games.

chilitokid says:
06/09/09 10:19AM
I think this is a blowout from start to finish....Olando 116-98
Borat38 says:
06/09/09 10:20AM
Damn, Bator, what are you? The unofficial NBA librarian/archivist? Insightful would be too weak to describe your posts. I know I'm kissing ass here, but my hats off to you. 
cacabware says:
06/09/09 10:22AM

 

great read.

ScratchnClaw says:
06/09/09 10:34AM
Great stuff Bator. Thanks for all the work this season. I'm on it and still debating the O/U. Any thoughts. I think tonight the over may hit and then clamp down again for the remaining two games.
EDDIEW says:
06/09/09 10:44AM
 Bater really enjoy reading your posts Wish it was more often   You've made me serious money and just want to say thanks

 

Don't know if you're a crapshooter but the hotel I stay in in AC had a lady set the record for not 7 ing out ..in 4 hours

Open-Cison says:
06/09/09 02:12PM
   If Orlando wins tonite,,, what will  the game 4 line  be ?

 A far stretch but If Orlando wins all 3 home games, what will the be adjusted series price be ?

 Just looking to hedge out.... Lakers  are winning it all...May have to play exact games to get plus money with lakers....

MrBator says:
06/09/09 02:21PM

 

You mean it shouldn't be there.  If the Lakers are as lazy as everybody says, and only play when they have to, then the effort shouldn't be there.  But you're saying the effort should be there if the Lakers are lazy.  Huh?

MrBator says:
06/09/09 02:23PM

 

 

Why?  I don't think it is.  The home team is down 2-0 and they have to win to realistically keep their hopes alive.  What's different?

MrBator says:
06/09/09 02:28PM

 

 

Please.  For all their talent and achievement, these guys have demonstrated a shockingly lackadaisical approach to certain games.  This Game 3 is not an urgent game for them no matter what they say and they know it and we know it.  Maybe they won't mail it in tonight like they mailed in Games 4 and 6 in Houston, but it's a bet worth making nonetheless.  Besides, I'm not counting on a poor Laker effort anyway.  I'm counting on the Magic to rock the house in Orlando as they almost always do, and when they need it most..

MrBator says:
06/09/09 02:41PM

 

 

Hard to say.  Probably not as many as Game 2, but still enough to further erode the lining of my stomach for 2.5 hours.

MrBator says:
06/09/09 02:42PM

 

 

Sure there is.  Just not a good one.

MrBator says:
06/09/09 03:00PM

 

That's incredible, the Lakers 1-13 ATS in their last fourteen NBA Finals games.  Such a popular team, so much burned-up money.

 

MrBator says:
06/09/09 01:01PM

 

 

Who?  The refs?  Why would the league want to help turn this into a doomed 3-0 series and likely sweep?

MrBator says:
06/09/09 01:04PM

 

 

I believe my exact words in post #3 were "I'm not telling anyone to bet on Orlando, but that's certainly what I'll be doing."  I have more exact words, too.  They are "Basketsmoney is and always has been a giant tool."

MrBator says:
06/09/09 01:31PM

 

 

What's that team that shares the building with the Lakers?

 

MrBator says:
06/09/09 01:46PM

 

 

I have no total lean.

baskets4money says:
06/09/09 12:39PM
He never post plays just a whole lot of influence....
CrusCrnshw says:
06/09/09 02:33PM
good stuff
EDDIEW says:
06/09/09 11:19AM
PROOF of why you're one of the best Mr B  Want to thank you for the serious money you've helped me make  Wish you'd post more ...

 

btw world record crapshooter rolled for 4 hours in AC Borgata before 7-ing out

tennistudly says:
06/09/09 11:31AM
    Thanks!
clepto says:
06/09/09 02:36PM
Love it
playboy336 says:
06/09/09 03:02PM
[Quote: Originally Posted by MrBator]

 

 

Hard to say.  Probably not as many as Game 2, but still enough to further erode the lining of my stomach for 2.5 hours.

 

 

 

i feel that.

mrusso says:
06/09/09 01:40PM
Really good info', thanks for taking the time to share. That's like "needle in the haystick" info', some work involved there.  Already on ORL, for me, it comes down to the Lakers inconsistent play in selected games in these playoffs. As I believe you stated, they play to the level of the importance of that particular game. A loss tonight doesn't change things that much for LA, if at all. They know they need win only 1 game in ORL and they'll have 2 games to close it out @ back in LA. Also really believe they will shoot the ball better and get more shot attempts. They must. Can see 105-110 for them tonite. If by chance the Lakers do bring their energy tonight and ORL doesn't put up at least 100, this could be a four game sweep.

 

B.O.L TO ALL!!!

 

FrontRowCenter says:
06/09/09 02:37PM
How many units Mr. B???
FrontRowCenter says:
06/09/09 02:01PM
I like it........
C-NART says:
06/09/09 03:20PM

B- read the rest of the quote, more they win, less games they have to play!

C-NART says:
06/09/09 02:00PM

Mr. B, much respect to your insight and opinions.  However, as a long time Celtic fan/Kobe Laker hater, tonight I have to give in to the fact that the Lakers are the best team with the best player(s) this year, and they WANT to show you, myself and the rest of the world that fact tonight in Mickey Mouse land.  Game 3 of the finals is way different than the conf finals, and especialy the second round.  If the Lakers are as "lazy" and only play when they have to as everybody is saying, the effort should be there tonight, as they know each game they win is one less they have to play.  So, I truly believe Phil will have Kobes mates on the same page with him and smell championship blood tonight, and unfortunately get the W to go up 3-0.  Unfortunately, except for there is money to be made.

mynameken says:
06/09/09 02:04PM
thanks for the info Iam leaning heavy that way cause i feel like winning and the lakers as always need motovation i don't see it here but the game is played on the court and orlando will show up

and nelsons third gm back can't hurt either.

tumbong says:
06/09/09 01:17PM
east coast basketball is WEAK....
kaponofor3 says:
06/09/09 11:58AM
... and for people doubt why Bator has tons of fans, this is the type of reason why.



Fantastic post with great information, MrBator. We all appreciate the insight.
kaponofor3 says:
06/09/09 02:33PM
"Besides, I'm not counting on a poor Laker effort anyway.  I'm counting

on the Magic to rock the house in Orlando as they almost always do, and

when they need it most."

Boom, and this is what people seem to be missing. Any effect that the Lakers' lackadaisical effort may have on the game is just gravy on top of what the stats already tell us -- that being that the Magic play like gangbusters in this situation as they have all season.

risktaker says:
06/09/09 12:11PM
wow bator that was great stuff after that write up u deserve  to win even tho im on orlando
nbafan88 says:
06/09/09 02:58PM


first half only for me
gofish3 says:
06/09/09 01:42PM
Bator, can I get a total lean and any logic for why you see it that way?
Borat38 says:
06/09/09 12:11PM


Experience will prevail alright.  Like Mark Wunderlich's experience with officiating the Fakers.  He was the guy who swallowed his whistle while watching Derek Fisher land on top of Brent Barry while BB was attempting a 3 in last year's playoffs.
lxnew2000 says:
06/09/09 12:06PM
nice write up/stas ~!~ now i will play the 4 pts teaser on LAL ~!~
44-dimes says:
06/09/09 02:47PM
VERY NICE WRITE UP BATOR
 
OBVIOUSLY YOUR A STEP AHEAD


MrArmageddon says:
06/09/09 02:55PM
A lot of trends out there, but 1-13 ATS sticks out the most. Magic and UNDER 198.
OldTownMan says:
06/09/09 11:32AM
Very nice research, Thank you.
HI_HATERS says:
06/09/09 12:04PM
Like your write up..BUT Experience will prevail GL
HI_HATERS says:
06/09/09 01:04PM
COCKY ORLANDO BACKERS

Cocky is good and KOBE is COCKY
Redlad says:
06/09/09 06:35PM
Sold...... Enough Said!

 

 

Thanks Mr. Bator...Great Read.

timh says:
06/09/09 07:43PM
Great writeup, wish you the BOL
dyamarik says:
06/09/09 06:16PM
orlando -4
MrBator says:
06/09/09 07:16PM

 

 

I recommend baby powder.  A necessity during the NBA regular season, an absolute must during the playoffs.

 

MrBator says:
06/09/09 07:18PM

 

 

You just made my day.    

 

MrBator says:
06/09/09 07:25PM

 

 

Those are all equally terrible.  If I had to, I would go with -4.5 -110.

MrBator says:
06/09/09 03:27PM

 

Okay, so you're saying that IF it's true that the Lakers are lazy, then they'll want to wrap this series up as quickly as possible so they don't have to play extra games (because they're lazy). 

I'm not buying that, sorry.  If that were true, they wouldn't have allowed a crippled Rockets team to take them to a Game 7.

MrBator says:
06/09/09 03:29PM

 

You remember wrong.  I lost money on several unders in the series, though (Games 2, 4 and 6).

MrBator says:
06/09/09 03:44PM

 

But your premise was that because they're lazy (or so everybody says), they're motivated to get things over with sooner rather than later.  If that's true, what difference does it make what shape your opponent is in? 

MrBator says:
06/09/09 07:35PM

 

I've seen one place online with -5.  The -4 is still available here in Vegas, but only a few places left.  I don't expect the line to move back down.  The Magic are too much of a sure thing.  Just kidding!

MrBator says:
06/09/09 07:39PM
By the way, I bet on the Lakers to win the series prior to Game 1 at -250 for 12.5 units to win 5.  Today, I bet on Orlando to win the series at +630 for 1.4 units to win 8.8.  So I am effectively now risking 3.7 units to win 3 on the Lakers to win, which is small enough that I can now openly root for them to lose, which if they do, would be worth dropping a few units just for the entertainment value, and if they don't, I'll have a little 3 unit consolation prize.
MrBator says:
06/09/09 07:26PM

 

 

Nope, not a casual bettor.  Manic depressive bettor.

MrBator says:
06/10/09 10:59AM

I don't consider the Magic in Game 3 a pointspread loser at all.  For anyone who considered betting on the Magic, this was a win or a push.  Those, who for whatever reason, wound up laying -4.5 effectively beat themselves.  I've said this many times on here before - no matter how much you may like a game, you cannot afford to bet BAD numbers and thus open the door for your book to snake you by half a point when he had no business even having the opportunity.  Picking winners and overcoming the vig is tough enough.  You can't afford to give away games by taking a point the worst of it.  As much as I liked Orlando in Game 3, if I had been kidnapped on Sunday night and not freed until a half hour before gametime (when -4.5 was the universal line), I WOULD NOT HAVE MADE THE BET.  I would have taken my chances with in-game wagering or a halftime wager, but ain't no way I would agree to lay -4.5 on a game where -3.5 and -4 were widely available for up to 36 hours after the line was first released.  I would never let myself lose in that way.  In that situation, in my opinion, no matter how in love you are with the game, you have to pass.  You just can't leave the door wide open like that for your book to get lucky and beat you with +4.5. 

Remember, the idea is to stick the bookie with a bad number, not the other way around.  Ever.

MrBator says:
06/10/09 11:52AM

 

No, I wrote that.

MrBator says:
06/10/09 03:56PM

 

 

Now that you mention it, hustle man, I recall reading Lang giving his customers the "never get beat by the hook" routine, where he implores his people to buy the half point.  I remember thinking to myself "What a huge sleazebag.  Sure, tell them to buy the hook, buy the hook.  What do you care if your customers slowly get chiseled spending 10 cents for a half point as long as they avoid the occasional loss so your record can look slightly less horrid?"

Obviously, my advice above is not the same.  I never recommend buying the hook (although a couple times I can remember doing it myself in football, buying a 9.5 -110 dog up to +10 -120, but that's probably not a bad idea, actually).   

MrBator says:
06/10/09 04:20PM

 

As soon as the Magic finished off Cleveland, I thought about the Finals for about two minutes and my first square impulse was "Lakers in six."  Then I started doing my reading and saw that I had plenty of company in figuring a 6-game Laker victory.  That wasn't a good sign.  Then President Obama again made the mistake of publicly picking one team over another (which I feel he should never do) when he said "Lakers in six."  Now I had strong evidence that my initial lean was square.  Then on ESPN.com, I saw a poll that revealed that 46% of respondents picked the Lakers in six.  At that point, I began considering every possibility except the Lakers in six.

The most common thinking was that the Lakers would take the first two, lose badly in Game 3, bounce back and take Game 4, mail-in Game 5, then finish things up at home in Game 6.  Well, that's too convenient, and it gives little respect to the Magic, treating them as if their one significant victory would come in Game 3 and that's it.  I think the Lakers would have been better off laying down last night, then setting themselves up for their usual big bounceback effort in Game 4.  That would be L.A.'s usual M.O., but instead they collectively chose to put forth a  serious effort in Game 3 against what they knew would be Orlando's most desperate effort, and likely Orlando's best game so far in this series.  I don't think that was a good idea.  The Lakers gave it a great shot, but it didn't work, and now (and you can call me crazy for thinking this way) they've denied themselves the usual motivation of playing much sharper off a lackadaisical half-effort. 

The Lakers bounced back successfully off of poor efforts against Houston in Games 1, 4, and 6, and again against Denver in Games 2 and 4.  It probably wasn't hard to get extremely focused for the next game after bad losses like those, what with so much room to improve, but where do they go from here after giving it all they had against the Magic in Game 3 and coming up short?  The Lakers seem like a team that needs to get beat up in the court of public opinion in order to get serious.  Well, they're not going to get beat up for last night's strong game.  They're probably not going to be able to summon up an effort any better than that one, which means Game 4 is up for grabs, with the edge in my opinion going to the home team that's won 80% of their home games this season.

To answer your question, hustle man, before I go and get even further long-winded and nonsensical, I'm thinking more and more that the Lakers won't win any of the games in Orlando, which contrasts with what I believed as recently as a couple days ago, that they would definetely get at least one, most likely Game 4.  However, I also believe that if they return to L.A. down 3 games to 2, they will win both Games 6 and 7.  I can't see Orlando finishing them off.  The Magic have shown a few times that they can get tight late in a big game, and that just doesn't happen to the Lakers.

MrBator says:
06/10/09 04:27PM

 

Frogskins85, it's like you know me too well.  When the betting's going good, the sun is shining, the birds are chirping, and someone can rear end my car and I'll cheerfully say "That's okay!  I know a great body shop!  They'll fix this in no time!"  But when the tough losses come marching in like soldiers, nothing about the world is good.  And if you're too serious about it like me, you don't even want to be a part of anything else until the tide turns, no matter how long that takes.  That's......NOT a good thing.  It really does take a different breed, and while you wouldn't recommend it to everyone, I would recommend it to no one.

MrBator says:
06/10/09 04:30PM

 

Wait.  Let the Laker love flow some more.  I can feel Kobe Bryant's anxiety rising by the hour.  He knows his reputation will take a terrible beating if he doesn't win this championship, and the "best closer in the game" is going to be pressing even more.  I don't expect him to be denied in the end, but I expect this series victory to be as difficult as possible for him.

larryhughes says:
06/09/09 08:45PM
hustle_man says:
06/10/09 11:44AM


Commentary from B. Lang?
hustle_man says:
06/10/09 11:58AM


You guys have an oddly familiar writing style.  See if I can find some old stuff from him when I big game he was on pushed or lost by the hook due to a last minute line move.

On another note, who is your predicted series winner?  I haven't been keeping up.
BigEastExpert says:
06/09/09 05:51PM
Great write up. Good luck tonight.

 

Big play on Magic for me.

 

L8kersFan74 says:
06/09/09 07:35PM

Because rockstar8920 is nothing but a clueless fuck who has nothing whatsoever to offer these forums.

gottawintonight says:
06/09/09 07:07PM
  Good info... as usual.

 

No one is putting a gun to my head, but I put 3 units on ORL -4.5 (+100).  This is definitely the biggest play I've played in a while.

 

Balls are already sweatin. 

BostonGeorge says:
06/09/09 03:30PM
Mr Bator...Do you think Magic -2.5 for the first half is a good bet?

 

U think Orlando will come out strong right out the box and build up a big half time lead and just let the Lakers hang around in the second half but still manage the game and cover the -4 ? 

hardlycovers says:
06/09/09 07:43PM
Good shit Bator, I rode with you last game and i'll ride until the wheels fall off.
PistolPete21 says:
06/09/09 06:25PM
Loaded up on the Magic immediately after Game 2, but it's fantastic to see you on them tonight.

There's three things I like most about this game:

1. The Lakers being the Lakers. They know how this league works. Tonight's a "league game."

2. Despite what the stat sheet might say, Dwight Howard had a horrific Game 2. Those 7 turnovers were huge. Each and every one of them. Not only did they prevent Magic points, but they lead to easy Laker points. I'm expecting a monstrous effort from the NBA's new superstar big man, minus the turnovers that were so disastrous in Game 2.

3. My favorite reason: the guard play. All the media has told us is that the Magic guards were horrific in Games 1 and 2. We know that. They know that. On thier home floor, I know these guards will respond. And seeing as how it's this team's achillies heel, the Magic should roll if their guards aren't gloriously fucking up. The absence of stifiling Laker defense should do wonders for the Magic's guard play.
highside107 says:
06/10/09 11:03AM

Lesson learned, MrB -- I got stuck with -4.5
highside107 says:
06/10/09 03:48PM
MrB - thoughts on Game 4?  I can get Orlando -2 -105 right now... seems as if everyone else has it at -2.5
Vegabond says:
06/09/09 03:25PM
stay thirsty..stay thirsty
cashmony says:
06/09/09 08:50PM
hoopsnyc says:
06/09/09 05:31PM
great stuff bator-magic tonight for sure

hoopsnyc says:
06/09/09 05:33PM
joey crawford on the game tonight-plenty of free throws -magic and over -good luck all
Boocoop says:
06/09/09 07:48PM
I like it alot good luck...
scalabrine says:
06/09/09 07:54PM
Bator with an Ali-like return to the sports forum ring with a post of epic proportions!!!!!!!!! We need a proper introduction....


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ROCKY BAL-BATOR!!!!!

AND IN THAT COHNA, WE HAVE THE MAN, WHO, CONSIDERING HIS HORRIFIC CAPPING RECORD, MIGHT ACTUALLY BE MENTALLY HANDICAP...HE'S SENT SCORES OF BETTORS TO THE TOILET TO DRY HEAVE WHEN THEY'VE FOUND OUT HE'S ON THEIR TEAM...LOCAL CONVENIENCE STORES ON THE VEGAS STRIP ARE LOOTED OF PEPTO, EX-LAX, AND ADULT DIAPERS LIKE IT'S KATRINA ALL OVER AGAIN BY THOSE STUPID ENOUGH TO PURCHASE HIS PICKS...HE IS THE OMINOUS, THE INFAMOUS

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GENTLEMEN, LET'S GIT IT ON!!!!!!!!!
johnnyflynn says:
06/09/09 07:25PM
kongchung says:
06/09/09 07:39PM
I HAD A FRIEND BETTING $400. ON THE LAKERS +4.5 THROUGH ME USING MY BOOKIE.I SAY GOOD LUCK..TO ME.
kongchung says:
06/09/09 07:25PM
MR.BATOR,IF YOU TELL ME YOU;RE A CASUAL BETTOR,I'LL FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE.GOOD WRITE UP AND WILL BE TAILING YOU BIG!!GOOD LUCK!!
CalBear says:
06/09/09 06:37PM
A lot of great info bator.  Also appreciate the info in my thread.  Great work 
PKKingster15 says:
06/09/09 06:36PM
Love it MB, same side again buddy!
allsmiley2 says:
06/09/09 07:45PM

where can i find trends like this?  is there a book on the nba/nfl trends?>  good shit.

FrontRowCenter says:
06/09/09 09:01PM
FrontRowCenter says:
06/09/09 09:02PM
Scalabrine
U crack me up dude!!!   Do u have a stand up act???
doryj says:
06/09/09 04:35PM
Bator you are the greatest.  Just awesome stats and analysis.

Your pick and read of game 2 was spot on - the ML should have cashed as well.

After Kobe looked totally energized in game 1 he seemed lifeless in game 2 - several steps slower.  I can't even remember him driving more than a few times and he never got totally to the hoop (but did get bailed out a few times).  I always think of Kobe as a young body, but he has a lot of games on him at this point. 

Do you think he has trouble recovering on a day's rest?  I just don't see him coming out with energy and if he doesn't then the Lakers have little shot on the road. 

I was thinking a big Orlando win here so I was going to lay the 4 at the better price than the 3.5.  Do you think that 1/2 point is important here?
Frogskins85 says:
06/10/09 12:44PM


Been gambling for just a mere 4 years now.  Not getting rich by it, but smart enough to have money and continue gambling. 

MrB, I follow you and never really respond.  You know you're shit, as everything you mention makes sense.  I bet this game once the line hit -3.5.  I call myself lucky for the freethrows there, but only way to gamble effectively, is to put your damn money in a smart situation.  Period.  You will lose from time to time, but thats why its gambling and not everyone does it. 

And yes, its not fun about 90% of the time.  Blowouts are rare, and being able to take a loss and enjoy a night out is tough.  Its a trained art.  Not being able to show the loss to the wife/girlfriend is a task.  This sport Isn't for everyone, takes a different breed.  I do not recommend it to everyone.  Its a dirty drug without the direct health effects, unless you want to put stress as a factor :)

Lets go game 5.  MrB, thoughts?  My instincts have me on Lakers ML, but I haven't studied up yet.
Frogskins85 says:
06/10/09 12:46PM
I meant game 4 :)  LoL. 
C-NART says:
06/09/09 03:25PM

By the way, alot of that  is your Laker money from last years final if I remember right??

C-NART says:
06/09/09 03:31PM

Big difference between getting up for team missing it's best player(s) in the 2nd round, and playing in the championship against a team (full-strength) that just knocked off the King and Co.

superpm2 says:
06/09/09 05:56PM
Gennaro53 says:
06/09/09 06:46PM

I just laughed for 5 minutes straight.  

Great write up , thanks for your time in doing so as well..

Ciao and Good Luck Sir.

cacabware says:
06/10/09 12:49PM

 

Respectfully, I disagree with this advice. 

cacabware says:
06/10/09 04:49AM

 

people that go back and re-quote themselves are douchey.

Swoop says:
06/09/09 10:30PM
Swoop says:
06/09/09 07:29PM

Any chance you see this moving back down to the opening line of -4?  Or worse hitting -5?
Swoop says:
06/09/09 07:22PM
Bator... in you're opinion???   

Orl -4.5 (-110)
     -4  (-120)
     -3.5 (-130)  

Need to use my local as my MB account is tapped out 
Swoop says:
06/09/09 07:05PM
SOLD  
drhl says:
06/09/09 04:10PM
THANX FOR THE INFO...ANY THOUGHTS ON THE TOTAL??????????????
drhl says:
06/09/09 05:22PM
Brooklyn Decker...getting married to Andy Roddick...
BurningPlanet26 says:
06/10/09 07:47AM
Classic chalk outline line Scalabrine.

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I just wanted to say that even though this lost it was a hell of a post. I mean, for all I know you got in early and hit or pushed but the post makes it obvious that an extra half point should not be an issue. It was informed and highly convincing.

 

I took Magic -2.5 (bad habit of mine that paid off for me tonight and last game with LA -4.5) because I wanted the moneyline but hated the -230 thus seeing this as a compromise... But as I always do when buying points or teasing a game I pay attention to how things are going for people on the regular spread.

 

They choked in the fourth but to me this still should have been a cover. A horrible call from Crawford and the Magic missing a half dozen or so rebounds in a row in that last minute sealed the deal. It was a bad way to end the game from a gambling POV but I still have as much respect for your effort as I had before the game, when you made me feel a lot better about my specific bet.

 

I told myself before this series I was going to bet LA first two games and then Orlando in game 3 if they came home down 0-2. That is it for me regarding big bets on the season but I am thinking of putting a few bucks on LA next game then doubling up for game 5 should they lose... under the pretense that they will want to close this out on their home court in game 6. Since you had two already I sure hope you find an angle that compels you to write another post for these finals.

theprofit says:
06/09/09 05:29PM
Okay. Ill buy that.  Nice write up.
jasonmrf says:
06/09/09 05:35PM


That is the greatest fucking avatar I've ever seen

dontbookme says:
06/09/09 06:21PM
hate to say it, but gotta agree here Bator. Magic EL DESPERADO tonight!!! Lakers don't need this win....spells MAGIC ML!!!!
dontbookme says:
06/10/09 01:23AM

 

ValueforRent says:
06/10/09 04:39PM


I agree completely with what you said there, I wrote this in someone else's thread earlier today:

All we hear in the media is how badly Kobe wants to win that elusive

fourth ring.  How it consumes his entire existence.  But nobody has

mentioned the possibility that maybe he wants it too much.  Sometimes

wanting it too much can do more harm than good.  If the Magic

lose this series, someone like Dwight Howard will surely be extremely

disappointed and upset.  He'll probably be down for a couple days, but

after that he'll move on with things and be alright.  I'm not getting

that same feeling with Kobe right now.  If he doesn't get the job done

and lead the Lakers to a title, it almost seems like he might not be

able to go on with the rest of his life.  When Kobe turned the ball

over late to Pietrus last night, the reaction on his face afterwards

was like his world had just ended.     If I was working for the Lakers

I'd slip a chill pill into Kobe's pre-game meal.  At this point he

needs it. 

ValueforRent says:
06/10/09 04:56PM
The closer and dicier things get, the more reluctant Kobe will get to share the ball with his teammates, even though all the evidence out there suggests the Lakers are a better team when Kobe shoots less.  Clearly this moment has to be about him.  It's not enough for the Lakers to just win, he has to be the star of the show as well.  Gasol is scoring at will on the block in this series yet he only got eleven shots last night.       
behdthscene says:
06/09/09 07:07PM
Strong to very strong...

 

 

 

LTE23 says:
06/09/09 08:11PM
This shuts up alot of people. I notice on this site people throw out there picks then you have a guy like yourself who throws on Info. Trends. Stats and Great WRite ups. Good job on the effort and holding it down with all the Bashing!!! GL today Bator Lets get this one!!!!


sailing58 says:
06/09/09 07:07PM
Author   Author    Bator     
lumpiddy says:
06/09/09 07:00PM
Nice Bator!! Nice!!
midnight_toker says:
06/09/09 08:48PM
GL to all Magic backers 
KillerKardoogan says:
06/10/09 03:14AM
Right there with you MrBator.

Before the playoffs started I took Lakers +185, and Orlando at 15-1.

I get paid more if Lakers win, but I will gladly dump that if I can watch Harold Miner lose.

TONYMACK says:
06/09/09 03:32PM
good write up and analysis.
BOUNTYHOUNTER says:
06/10/09 12:04PM
FOR ALL THOSE THAT LOST ON 4.5 YOU SHOULD ALWAYS BUY THE HOOK NEVER EVER GET BEAT BY THE HOOK, I HAVE BEEN BETTING SPORTS FOR OVER 20YRS AND I THINK THAT IS THE NUMER ONE RULE....DONT GET BEAT BY THE HOOK, SAME IN NFL OR NCAA I NEVER LAY 3.5 OR 4.5 OR 6.5 OR 7.5 I WILL ALWAYS PROTECT MY INVESTMENT....SEEN IT TO MANY TIMES WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE DONT BUY THE HOOK AND LOSE...IF YOU CANT BUY IT SOMEWHERE THAN DONT BET THE GAME OR SAY FUCK IT AND TAKE THE ML....JUST A LITTLE ADVICE...
Darkknight says:
06/09/09 03:58PM
I just love the way statistics are thrown around, when everything is just how it should be, ask the media, ask the 11:00 news, ask anywhere, but all in all just ask me, and i'll tell you, that Orlando doesn't stand a chance in game 3.  to me Kobe is this years MVP. but once again he get's robbed.  now don't get me wrong, I love me some Lebron, but he gone fishin' and if D12 don't have the whistle on his side tonight, it reallly gone get Ugly! and if they do get lucky and pull this off, I only put 50€ on my boy KB24,here where i'm betting tonight, gotta have 3 plays on one ticket, so i'm taking LA, and hope that the state continues to bring fortune as I go with my boy Billingsly LAD, hope he a horse tonight, and last but not least, i'm gonna go on some of my old mojo, and roll with the Rockies, I really loved the time I lived in Colorado.  see if my man Fowler can hook me up.
Ron_Chains says:
06/09/09 06:12PM
I think everyone can agree that an 11 point swing in the spread is ridiculous. Can only mean that Vegas wants to get as much Laker money as possible. Lakers+4 looks so much more inviting than Lakers +1.5.
awesome right up and discussion.
let's pray the Orlando Panic don't show up in the 4th.
PistolPete21 says:
06/10/09 06:45PM


I love this post, especially the bolded part. Lots to learn from that rationale and reasoning in sizing up a series. Have you ever considered that this series might be over in 5?

The performance the Magic gave us was phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. Quite possibly their magnum opus of the season. Yet, it didn't even get the large majority of Magic backers a cover!

I appreciate your comments about the Lakers and the effort they exerted last night. Definitely true and definitely a factor. But from the Orlando Magic perspective don't you think they're thinking to themselves and saying: wow, we executed nearly flawlessly for 48 minutes and we basically won by a possession? Seriously? I would contend that the Lakers to the Magic's best shot in Game 3, not the other way around.

Now, our conversation has shifted from the "Scowl" to the "Does Kobe have enough gas left for the 4th?" How fast perceptions change. He certainly took some terrible, forced shots in the 2nd half. BUT his 1st half was arguably one of the best halfs of basketball in his career. He had his team down a couple possessions at half time when the other team shot a record percentage from the field. He single-handedly did it. And he knew it. So, he went out there in the 2nd half, thinking, "This is going to be my signature game in my championship run." Hence, his performance in the 2nd half. Additionally, the fatigue factor of the 4th quarter was in large part due to his back-breaking efforts in the 1st half.

I'm no Kobe apologist. He's a bastard, and I hate him. But he's the mothafuckin Mamba for a reason. I'm not going to go through all this "Closer" nonsense. But Gasol was visibly and verbally upset after the game. He has enough clout and talent to talk Kobe off his masochistic ledge and get him back to playing team ball, which, as we all know, is when the Lakers thrive. The genesis of their resurgence came when Gasol entered the picture, and passing became a viable option for Kobe.

Seriously, I think that's what you get in Game 4.  As for the Magic, if they duplicate their Game 3 performance, hats off to them, I deserve to lose my money.
PistolPete21 says:
06/10/09 08:09PM
VR,

The Lakers did have an outstanding game. I readily acknowledge that. But come on, it was nowhere near the epic game that the Magic played. The Magic had 5 guys with at least 18 points. FIVE!

The Lakers have reached 100 points in every game this series. The Magic, at least defensively, fundamentally don't match-up well with the Lakers (not that many teams do, even though the Cavs probably would match-up better than anyone else). 


ValueforRent says:
06/10/09 07:34PM


And that's because the Lakers played a pretty damn good game themselves, as Bator said.  The Magic tried to pull away in the fourth quarter, the lead got to as high as nine, but the Lakers were pretty much matching Orlando shot-for-shot.  Everytime it looked like they were going to pull away and blow it open, someone on L.A. came through with a big shot to keep them in it.  I believe the Lakers made 10 of their first 13 FG's in the 4th quarter.  Nobody on L.A. shot the ball poorly.  Jordan Farmar, who is usually atrocious, had 11 pts. on 4-6 shooting.  That included a tough fadeaway from just inside the line and a tricky leaner off glass.  Gasol was 9-11, Odom was 4-6, Arizas was 5-13.  So yes the Magic had an unreal shooting night, but the Lakers were no slouches either.
MDnightFlight says:
06/10/09 06:39PM

 

One of the most overlooked asepcts of gambling. Those who are new to the game take notes as MrB speaks

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