ILPRATO says:
You are stating dogs are cuter than jews you are one sick man. Natalie Portman ,Gwenyth Paltrow,Scarlett johansen,Kate Hudson are all jewish shall I go on............ asshole!!!!!

liontri says:
The problem is, some people treat animals higher than human beings. Like I said in earlier post, the ranking are from MOST IMPORTANT TO THE LEAST; Kids, Women, Animals, Men.

 

So guys, cowboy up and take it. We are the lowest level in our society. Now, with other parts of the world, I don't know about that. Because I know in some parts, men rank on the top.

DoubleUp4Life says:

what I am saying is ...

Maybe some Blacks don't look at Dogs as their best Friend but more like Savage Violent beasts bc they have been used that way on Blacks for 400+ Years

the 60's-70's are not that Long ago

Still Fresh for many People

 

While I am a Animal Lover, I could understand how some people might not be ..... I my Mind torturing and Killing them is pretty sick

samuelsosa says:

 So Koaj, fuggettaabouit, and I believe that Vicks punishment was wayyyyyyyyyy too stiff.

If choosing to drive drunk, risking 100+ lives on the road, and actually taking a life gets you 28days and loss of driving priviledges, then all Vick deserved was a kick in the face.

Sick sick world we live in when lobster tails are worth more 48x more than a human life.

TorontoJoey says:
VICK is a goof

liontri says:
When it all comes down to it, it's fame and money that will kill you. Lets say if one of us normal people are involved with what Vick did, you think they will make a big deal and treat us like Vick? I'm sure they're not going to make us pay millions of dollars and the whole nine yards, right? Just asking for people opinions.

tito40 says:
i agree w/ samuel sosa, you can mow down an innocent man, who had a family/kids who were depending on him to provide for them b/c you got drunk at the club - that doesn't even ruffle feathers - 

vegasdennis says:


yep your dumbass will be gone before season starts

aszzzbrokerman says:
couple points,

1. Vick reached a position where anything less than stellar behavior would result in a huge backlash. If Leonard Little committed pitbull murder no one would give a fuck just like noone gives a fuck about his dui homicide. If Vick committed vehicular homicide people would be calling for the death penalty. Its the nature of the beast. Vick's not the first victim and he won't be the last.

2. People who are using this as an excuse to hate Vick need to get a grip. If 3000 dogs died as a result of 9/11 would we be at war in the middle east right now? Hell no. Sorry to use an example like that but extreme examples are needed when people refuse to use proper perspective. At no other time do we as a group equate dogs to people.

samuelsosa says:

TRAIN69 says:

 

I was being sarcastic to ignorant fools. I simply probing the point that what Vick did isnt really that horrible in the big picture we call life. Many have done FAR worse things and will continue to do so until the end of time.

Let me ask you this and I will leave it alone. If you had a choice between someone raping your mom or sister or girlfriend , or killing 1000 pitbulls with a hammer, what would you choose? You would have those dogs lined up and be a hammering s.o.b ......

get a grip people... 

CrusCrnshw says:
I love how that moron used the N word and is saying Double up is the reason for problems between B's and W's...

 

society really has some winners

eiv10 says:
stallworth's case is different than vicks:

 

stallworth did not wake up everyday knowing this was going to happen. Vick did.

 

stallworth was drunk but the guy was crossing in a no cross zone. stallworth called the police and reported it. (why he only got manslaughter)

 

vick served most of his time because of the money involved not for the dogs. u cant push a criminal enterprise over state lines or u are doing minimum of 2 years.

 

these 2 cases are completely different. it is not illegal to drink and drive. its illegal to drink to much and drive. stallworth was barely over the limit.

 

both are crimes but that is why stallworth served 28 days and lost his drivers liscense for life and is under house arrest for 2 years and vick got 2 years.

 

 

brandone says:
I feel life is all about "respect". You give respect, then you get respect.

 

You disrespect, guess what, you get disrespected.

 

Vick burned his bridge, and made his bed, now i feel he should lay in it.

Biloxi_Boy says:
I've friggin seen it all now. Pit bulls caused the killing of jews and have oppressed black people. Buncha geniuses here.Well, I'm a caucasian pit bull owner...should I have him put down for reparations for you poor mistreated oppressed people living in this terrrible communist country of ours? Get a grip.How the hell does a pit bull conversation turn political. Maybe they should kill Vick as reparations for the cruelty to animals. Oh, and by the way..In todays society the white man is the minority. So stop playing the dam Racism card everytime you dont like something.Love it or leave it losers.

fightintigraz says:
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fightintigraz says:
Very nicely put Chill.  The only part I personally disagree with is everyone is a little racist. But Im so many nationonalitys If I were a little racist against anyone I would be hating my own kind. Im glad to see someone say what you said. Very Well Put..

chillery says:
We just live in a "pile on society".  When a person, especially a person who has made as much money playing a kids game such as Vick has made.   We get a little jealous and we like to keep our foot on there neck so we can feel better about our own sad pathetic lives.
Does skin color have anything to do with?   In my opinion yes it does.   We've already had a n-bomb blast and another stereotype blast that all black athletes think there above the law and I'm sure some of you other guys are holding back in fear of being boxed of making similar comments.   Public opinion bears my theory out, the majority of "fuck him, don't give Vick a second chance" have came from mainly non-blacks, and the "he served his time now give Vick a second chance" support have comes from mostly the black crowd.   Subconciously we all are a little racist in my opinion, even myself.  As a black man I have some of racist views about other people and cultures, who doesn't?   But I try to get along with everyone that I encounter and show them the same respect in which I would like to be treated in turn.    I had friends and other associates who fought dogs as I was growing up.   But I never got involved personally in it cause I thought it was sickening.    Now Vick has been dog fighting since age 8 and I do agree if he never got caught he would still be doing it today.    He lied to the police, the team owner and to Goddell.   He had no choice but to admit what he did when the other co-defendants copped plea deals to save there own asses.   He was only sorry because he got caught, bottom line.    Now he was sentenced and he's served his time.   He should be given the opportunity to continue his NFL career.   Vick is a qb, not a wide reciever, running back or a kick returner.   Who will sign him? who knows?   My satisfaction will be when he does step back on a NFL field in whomevers uniform.    And if he only plays one play and blows out both his knees on that same play, It will be a victory for all Vick supporters and I will be happy for him that he got his chance to get back in the NFL and to give it to all the haters who want him banished for life.
 I hold crimes against humans 1000 times more than I do crimes against animals.   Your pet passes away and you go down to the pound or pet store and replace them.   You can't replace a human life, no amount of money or compensation can take the place of any of my family or close friends.   Some of the same people who hold Vick"s feet to the fire about what he did to those dogs, justify hunting for live game, there reasoning is that its legal.   Fucking hypocrites, tell that to PETA and the Humane Society (whom are on Vick's ass) do they think hunting animals in the wild are okay.    This is where the hypocrisy comes in.   Just like pit bulls don't know that there being groomed and trained to tear each other apart, in turn that deer, bear, moose or what ever you hunt doesn't know your allowed to shoot and kill them and mount there head on your wall in your trophy room.  Total bullshit and a double standard.   
And the last time I checked Vick had a winning record as a starting NFL qb.   What's Al Davis say?   "Just win baby"   Michael Vick will win and beat all the haters the day he steps back on the football field.   And I'm going to love it!!!!

chillery says:


So we'll just agree to disagree.   My opinion is mine and mine alone.   I stand by everything I said.    And yes Vick is a very sick fuck for what he did.   I could never picture myself doing anything as terrible as that.   Listen, If Vick never plays another down in the NFL, its his own fault.   I wont lose one second of sleep over it.  The NFL is bigger than any individual player.   Nor will I come in here on covers and bitch about him not being allowed back in the league cause he did it to himself.   
But if he has truly changed his life around and can function as positive humane being in our society.   Then he should be allowed to do so and his profession just happens to be in the sports/entertainment business that can generate him and his employer millions of dollars, the NFL.  As long as Vick can help the team he signs with wins and revenue, then people will look the other way about his pass transgressions.  
Would I want Vick on my team the Cowboys?  No cause we don't need him.   But he can give a boost to a number of other teams with strong organizational leadership from the front office to the football field such as the Steelers, Pats, Ravens, or the Dolphins.

bookieassassin says:
The only part I personally disagree with is everyone is a little racist.

RACIST not necessarily......more of a subconscious`"bias" ...that most all of us have....> preferring those most like ourselves > got no problem here
rest assured though there are PLENTY of big time racists that actually believe another race to be genetically INFERIOR....have seen a few on this board.....most not aware of course as they have been raised to be this way (most likely)

MoneylineBABC says:

 

The ends don't justify the means......you reap what you sow.

 

swamppdonkey77 says:
For starters, this thread makes me question the merits of free speech.

Secondly, disucussion of the holocaust and slavery, to me, don't really compare here. (Neither do any derogatory phrases).

 

Most importantly I feel NO ONE has touched on the main point. Vick is an AVERAGE QB AT BEST!!!!! 

38-28-1   71TD/52 INT   sacked 187.

Playoff Record 2-2 3TD/3Int 

 

Those aren't bad numbers, but not great either. Hundreds of other qb's have similar career numbers. If I was an NFL general manager my thought would be why take the PR hit when there is a ton of other guys that can put up similar numbers and are turning 23 and not 29?

 

He was very flashy, and had a few plays every year that wowed us all, but if you move past the flair, you find an average QB.

swamppdonkey77 says:

That's a terrible comparison! Chris Paul needs to pass to be a good pg. Flair doesn't nessecarily mean you do something well, it means you do it colorfully.  Maybe I worded it poorly, I guess what i am getting at is that many guys like say Jim Harbaugh have similar numbers, he just didn't do it with flair.

Is it your argument that Vick is a top tier QB? The stats don't agree. Chris Pauls stats show he is a great pg. If Vick was such a great talent he'd be in a camp now. There are plenty of owners that have drug addicts, rapists, wife beaters and guys with manslaughter and/or homicide convictions. If a guy has enough talent they will take the chance on him.

Note my argument has nothing to do with the ethical/moral implacations of Vick's crimes. My feeling is that he's not worth the risk on the basis of the combination of having average qb skills in his prime, and missing two years of live football.

jlt9889 says:

 

nicely put

but racism you put it is such a strong word. i am asian and i am not racist one bit but i can say that i am prejudice against certain races. annd that includes my own race.  it DOES NOT MEAN i hate them by any means.  in vicks case i dont believe it was a black or white issue but an issue of americans protecting there dogs more than humans. which is a sad thought in my opinion.  to some people you cannot replace a dog it is part of the family. to some others just buy a new one and u r set.  i hope michael gets back into it because he PAID  the price more than he should have.  if he would have never lied and just came straight out he would have been outta of this mess way sooner. but to lose everything is complete idiocracy.  i do not agree with the system here but who does.  yes crimes done by animals are done by nature and crimes done by humans is according to the justice system we live in.l a crime here is not necessarily a crime elsewhere.  where you are applauded here you are looked down upon elsewhere.

i hope he signs because he will make the nfl more interesting.  REMEMBER that run against the vikings to win the game.  that still by far is the best run by a quarterback in the history of the league. 

DoubleUp4Life says:

NO.... MY Point was Maybe some Blacks don't see Dogs as Loving companions//// 

 More of just a Beast

The 60's/70's were not that long ago ,The  Police almost everywhere turned dogs Loose on People during the Civil rights movement...,,,,

Here in WNY several PD's was notorius for letting Dogs loose on Blacks until the Mid 80's

Vick was Totally WRONG to torture and kill dogs...

 I think he has a Sick Mind and was rightfully punished ...

 

samuelsosa says:
Even the Lions??

samuelsosa says:
Thats stupid....why would you move passed the flair? Thats like saying if you move past Chris Paul's passing skills hes an average PG.........he has the passing skils, just like Vick has the flair.....

samuelsosa says:
Train...Im a big supporter of the whole Vick did his time [too much at that] and should be left alone. But if you are trying to make the point that what is worse, having your mother raped or killing 1000 pitbulls.......im not sure anyone would say rape my mother and save the dogs. What are you trying to say? At least his mother wasnt raped? I dont understand.

I dont think that was a good question.

samuelsosa says:
Cant wait for the day Vick is back on the field and I cant wait for the day to hear that Stallworth is suspended for the season. Very happy day for me.

 

Well done chill

samuelsosa says:
I dont deserve an apology

samuelsosa says:
Yeah because I really thought he was gonna come in here and guarantee something that the clueless fans decide

amd says:
For the love of God, do NOT let Scalabrine see this thread

amd says:

Sorry...I didn't see his guarantee. With that said, I wasn't sure if you knew who he was.

JoesDeli says:
vick is a typical black athlete who thought he was above the law and untouchable, i hope he ends up at my local carwash

Polar_Bear says:
So Vick was exacting revenge for American Slave History? Are you fucking serious???

 He was running an illegal and sick business that he gave thought to and ran on a daily basis as puppy dogs were bred and selected to fight, starve (to make angrier and more vicious), antagonize (kept within inches of eachothers face to incite hatred) tortured both in and out of the fight circle and discarded and killed usually by drowning at the hands of one of Vicks henchmen if it was not slowly eaten to death in the ring for entertainment purposes.

This was not an incident, it was a business ran and operated and given thought to daily, which makes it part of who he is not something he did in my opinion. An incident is something that happens, something someone did. He ran a sick business for more money.

WTF does any of that have to do with American Slave History?

The dumbest and most racist post I Have ever read on covers goes to you.

Your the type of person who keeps hate and race the number one issue in American Society. Your countries number one weakness and its downfall.....

Polar_Bear says:
I know what your point was but in my opinion you just took a shit route to it my friend!  It suggested Vick may have run this business cause he hated the way dogs were used in American History...He ran it cause he is a stupid, greedy, cruel fuck who wanted more coin...Period......................To be honest if he plays I don't even care that much as the NFL has a few murderers and rapists and in general human pieces of garbage in it anyway and using the word few is being kind so it is strictly entertainment anyway and some that entertain us will have class and be solid people and some will be the opposite to both those things.

Nothing Vick did had to do with hating dogs cause of how they have been used in American History and if he was/is that stupid that is almost even more fucked IMO!

I  more just think he is dumb as mud to be doing shit like that when he was making what he was making dollar wise....Truly retarded.....He will be playing ball again soon enough.....

jetmech says:
hes a piece of fukin shittt

riverdog52 says:
Cruelty and killing as sport and entertainment...sounds like the fall of the Roman Empire.   No amount of fame and/or money will cure what ails people like Vick. 

CHITOWNODAWG says:
EVERYONE WHO SAYS LET HIM PLAY, OKAY HE IS ALLOWED TOO ITS OBVIOUS NO ONE WANTS A GUY WHO CANT THROW IN A PASSING LEAGUE. NFL CAMPS HAVE BEEN GOING STRONG FOR 2 PLUS WEEKS, IF THIS GUY WAS ALL THAT NO MATTER WHAT HE DID SOMEONE WOULD BRING HIM IN THE BUILDING TO START LEARNING THE OFFENSE. WHAT GOOD DOES IT DO TO SIGN A GUY DURING THE SEASON WHEN HE HASNT PLAYED IN 2 SEASONS? GOOD COACHES PUT THIER PLAYERS IN THE BEST SITUATION TO SUCCEED WAITING TO SIGN A GUY  WEEKS AFTER THE SEASON ISNT IN HIS BEST INTEREST NOR THE TEAMS ESPECIALLY AT THE QB POSITION.

fastmoney says:
People are pathetic,Micheal Vick is not Hitler,big deal? he's killed six dog..and even though I still think that Hitler do the right thing Jews people killed Jesus Hitler killed them that all

fightintigraz says:

 

darien123 says:

Hey we breed animals in terrible condtions and kill animals to eat, don't we. But it's about money and economy, jobs etc. so its okay.

Lots of horses and dogs are either injured or killed during racing while they are held captive, but the goverment gets there cut because people are gambling on them, so thats okay.

Now everyone including the goverment and the rest of us hypocrites need someone to point at and say look at Micheal Vick he is the bad guy.

Well Micheal has given more to charity, given more of his free time to causes than most of will do in a lifetime.

Mike should have recieved probation for 2 years, a fine and some restitution. How many guys are in jail for dog fighting right now, Zero, None.

bookieassassin says:
ANSWER to this question is easy.....

Vick is .....
TOO  black.....TOO cocky......TOO rich.........(was)

America loves the jolly light skinned NON THREATENING  brother who just goes along with a big toothy grin all day.....

as long as (he) can entertain us ........the DARK skinned ...threatening .... brother is fine too.....once he steps outta line WATCH  OUT !.......
.
WE'LL  SHOW  THAT  BLACK  SOB  A THING  OR  TWO !!!!!

* wonder if John Daly (golfer)......got caught doing exactly the same thing.......would these same people all over Vick be all over Daly too ?
NO WAY  IN  HELL .........wait a minute ...it's just  about the dogs right?

swamppdonkey77 says:

Interesting side note, everybody has been saying that Stallworth killed a person and got nothing, well today he was suspended for the season and possibly more according to sports illustrated.

Secondly, Vick didn't do the time for dogfighting. Most of his sentence was for tax evasion for not reporting the income from breeding and fighting to the IRS.

Third, Samuelsosa, I couldn't agree more. T-Jack is possibly the worst starting QB that I have seen since Leaf. I actually feel bad for the Vikings fans that surround me in the Twin Cities. That team is so close to being a SB contender even if they could just get a Dilfer type guy. Hopefully the purple fans will see Sage starting opening day.

samuelsosa says:
fightin

 

Now dont get me wrong, Vick is not Ryan Leaf and he is not Peyton Manning either, not even close. BUT when you look around the NFL and see TAVARES JACKSON starting as a QB, there is definitely room for VICK. He is not great, but he is more than capable of winning a game, and a playoff game, which is much better than alot of qb's out there.

WendysRox says:
does anyone wish this thread would die already?

who cares about one washed up ex-con qb anyway?

pitbullowner says:
Majority of you ass wipes are media dumbfounded when it comes to pitbulls.  You have no clue of who the original owners and breeders of the breed were.......and what they were bred for. You are absolutely ignorant if you think only inner city kids or (blacks) are the sole proprietors involved in pit fighting.  I suggest you  Google....Louis Colby pitbulls dogs....Floyd Bordeaux dogs....Joe Medlin Hemphill pitbulls....the list goes on, but I named a few major players. Don't be surprise at what you see and read. This shit has been going on since the 1900's.  And no I don't condone the fighting of this breed. I love my dogs to much to allow this type of behavior.  Any responsible pit owner will tell you that its the best breed on the planet by far, but it was originally bred to do one thing and one thing only.  This problem is way bigger than Mick Vick.

TheAsianDude says:
I eat dogs, they are delicious!