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NBA 2/18 Nuggs at Cavs total discussion

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Posted Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:53 AM   24 comments
Does anyone else see some value in the Under at 206?

-Looking back at all Thursday Night games this season (based on Covers closing line) the Under has cashed 24 times versus 11 times for the Over.  Linesmakers do not give away money in heavily bet games and most people will want to bet an Over on a Nationally televised game. 

-In their last three games before the break, the Cavs have gone over three in a row, while Denver has gone over in three of their last four before the break possibly increasing the total in tonight's tilt and giving further value to the Under.

-In their last match-up on Jan. 8th at Denver, the total closed at 202 and the final score was 99-97 with the Nuggets winning, a final total of 196.  Both teams shot a respectable 45% from the field, over 40% from 3-point land, and put in 40 points from the charity stripe and still went under by 6.  Yes Carmelo Anthony was out but I still don't think he is worth 4 points on a total.  Add that this low scoring game was played at Denver where the Nuggets average roughly 5 more points per game than on the road.

-Last season, with a lot of the same cast of characters, these two teams played to a total of 193 and 209.  In the game where they went over the total, the Cavs shot a ridiculous 57% from the field, while the Nuggets shot roughly 48% and put in 21 points from the charity and it still only eclipsed tonight's total by 3 points.

So far:

Playing the Under at 206
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Texasfan says:
02/18/10 01:00AM
could see the under happening.  Cleveland can do whatever they want. They will control the tempo.
BreaknDaBank says:
02/18/10 01:19AM
good luck
cataholine says:
02/18/10 01:24AM

I like the under too

IronPicks says:
02/18/10 02:03AM
I like the under but....

not only Carmelo is back, both team have rested for a full week.
gqfiji says:
02/18/10 03:06AM
mo and powe should be back thursday, both practiced wed
breathmints says:
02/18/10 04:15AM
cavs 1st quarter should be over like they always do
grizly says:
02/18/10 06:35AM
Booshasta says:
02/18/10 06:40AM
im lovin the under thats my only play for tomorrow.
Jive_Turkey says:
02/18/10 06:59AM

combined home / away ppg aves = 200.15

last meeting = u202

tomorrow's total = 206  

hmmmm...

UNDERdogin says:
02/18/10 07:08AM

you make a lot of good points but it does seem like they are begging us to go under 

even 200 looks high in a cleveland game

Jive_Turkey says:
02/18/10 08:06AM

I'm tracking (TRACKING) totals that fall into this category atm, but I wouldn't lay a dime on an NBA line or total this season until I can guage a longish term feel for this "perfect storm" system.

These cnuts will chew you up and spit you out if you grind away trying to beat them taking their -110 lines every day imo.

You've got to find a way to get +100 at least on whatever you bet in this league unless you can find a trend or system that holds strong enough for long enough.

The NBA seriously aint worth the 8 month anguish

 

perceived says:
02/18/10 08:14AM

Jamison is in to score more points add an extra 8-12 (if he does infact play) to the average Cavs total and this could be enough to push the over

Canadian_Beaver says:
02/18/10 08:15AM
Never play totals - but BOL
steveshane67 says:
02/18/10 09:04AM


you realize the biggest factor in the O/U is pace not ppg right?
bushman9 says:
02/18/10 09:42AM
Jive,

I thought the same thing at first.  I thought all the stats pointed to an under and they put out a total at 206 which should probably be a sign to take the over.  However there is a reason why this line is set a tad higher and it has nothing to do with the rather short history these two teams have with each other over the past two seasons.

In the Cavs last six games which happen to be their last six home games they are averaging 108.8 point per game.  In their last five games they are shooting 51.7% from the field.  In three of their last six home games, the Cavs have scored more than 113 and in those games they have shot a very high % from either the field and/or 3-pt.  Also it should be noted that these high scoring games were against the Magic, Knicks, and Clippers respectively.

Denver averages 107.2 per game and is averaging 109.6 in their last five games.

If anything, the stats point to a clear over based on how these teams have been playing right before the break.

What I'm betting on is the following:

1) The over will be a popular side in a heavily bet game so I should be getting a somewhat favorable line.
2) In their brief history over the past two seasons, these teams have played each other at a slower pace and lower scoring total.
3) The total may be inflated somewhat due to the high scoring these two teams posted before the all-star break.
4) The Nuggets score less on the road than they do at home.
5) These teams will not keep shooting at the high pace they were before the break, which is well above their season averages, and may be a little bit rusty and out of sync coming off such a long break.

This is not a record setting bet for me by any means.  It is just another game that I see enough of an edge that I would be willing to make a 1-2 unit bet.  I know that these teams are more than capable of coming out and playing at a fast pace and shooting the lights out to the tune of a 220 point total.  I also know that posting such a write-up for me is usually the kiss of death but I will try not to be superstitious.  I just thought I would share my angle and information with the board.  Good luck with whatever you play.
Mike262 says:
02/18/10 09:44AM
nice avatar miracle
SpaceJamJORDANS says:
02/18/10 10:17AM
is jamison suiting up to play 2night?
bushman9 says:
02/18/10 11:48AM


From what I've read, he is not suiting up.
UNDERdogin says:
02/18/10 12:55PM

 

this is well thought out

last years game where denver went in there and scored at will is in my memory

someone posted the heat vs denver in their next game as a monster play and hit it

I was thinking about that game last night when the heat opened at right around the same number that denver opened in miami

 

akutz1 says:
02/18/10 01:01PM

Jamison is 100% not playing tonight, just listened to the Cavs pressor with Danny Ferry and Mike Brown.

Im taking Den +7 and the Under

BigYo says:
02/18/10 04:25PM
PS150 says:
02/18/10 04:34PM
Bush, excellent write-up..On the under as well.
Raidermex says:
02/18/10 04:56PM

I ran the model on it.

Here is the score.

Denver 97 Cleveland 103

200 total points

First Half Score

Denver 49 Cleveland 53

102 total points

Second Half Score

Denver 48 Cleveland 50

98 total points

PICK2WIN2020 says:
02/18/10 05:19PM
New to the Forum, good luck
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