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I still say the NBA is fishy

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Posted Wednesday, June 17, 2009 02:32 PM   23 comments
 
 
I said it before the NBA Finals started and I still believe it to this day, that the NBA has some shady stuff going on in that league.
 
Now I do NOT feel the NBA Finals was fixed at all.....but I do believe at crunch time the NBA refs officiate the game based on the names on the back of the jerseys and some teams do receive favorable calls that does end up deciding games......and YES, LA and Kobe benefits from that more than any other team in my opinion at a rate of 2 to 1 in favor of LA.
 
I will continue to follow Donaghy, because I do feel that he is telling the truth.....and post only FYI threads as they become apparent.
 
I still have a bad taste in my mouth from that 2002 Sacramento vs. La western conference championship series....I Knew it had Shady with a capital "S" written all over it.  I told my friends about it then and they dismissed it as me being a "hater".....just like people dismiss the Kobe elbow on Nelson or other stuff that happening today or this year.
 
The missed calls -- non-calls at end of games is catching my eye now.....and people will still try to chalk that up as hating.
 
I'm not trying to promote Donaghy's book or anything, I just pasted the link to inform everyone that the NBA's worst PR nightmare has been released from prison.
 
Peace.
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composite says:
06/17/09 03:07PM
Game 4. 4th Q. Orlando, 18 FTs.  Lakers. 0 FTs.

 

Yup, clear bias in favor of the Lakers.

vegasdennis says:
06/17/09 03:09PM



yes the nerve giving an opinion in forums
siroz28 says:
06/17/09 03:41PM
CT,

This has been going on for years and years. NBA just decided to make Donaghy an escapegoat so the NBA and David Stern's image will not be tarnished. With that said, this year's playoff was especially evident. 2 of my most painful losses came what I felt was a ref's job.

#1 (had $5,000 on the under 193.5 in the Palozzo hotel @ Vegas)

Game 7 of one of the most watched series featuring Bulls vs Celtics. In the first half, the 2 teams combined to score 90 pts with the total set at 193 (vegas) and then, 47 free throws in the 2nd half.
Their FG% wasn't great but, how is any under supposed to survive with 47 FTs attempted?

#2 (had $4,500 on Dallas 2nd half spread of -2.5 @the Encore Hotel @ Vegas)
In the infamous game 3, Dallas was losing by 2 at the half so all they had to do was win the game for me to win so I went with it.
If some of you don't remember, there were 89 free throws attempted in this game. eight FREAKIN 9 FREE THRWOS!!! 
So, I was standing in front of the cashier window getting ready to get paid and there it was. Antoine Wright clearing fouling Carmelo Anthony, not once but twice. No call on the foul, Carmelo swishes a 3 and game ends with Dirk's flury from 25 feet.

Losses do hurt but I can deal with it if it came in a fair manner. But those 2 were especially hurtful. My theory is where do the NBA referees make their money? I strongly believe that referees are controlled by the bookies and to keep the sportsbooks in business. Which is why statements as such as "go against public and you'll make money in the long run" exists. But, unlike any sports, NBA referees have the power to exit a player without ejecting him from the game. 2 fouls in 1st qtr, 3 fouls in 2nd qtr and he's gone for the 1st half, pick up one more in 3rd qtr and he's probably gone for the game until maybe 6 or 5 minute mark left in the game.

I totally agree with you. Other may call this as "hate" but I say it is unfair. With the new bargaining agreement, NBA referres now earn $100,000.00 to $300,00.00 per year since 2007. Isn't it about time they stop hosing and greasing the game's outcome with their whistle?

What do you think?
marc-gasol says:
06/17/09 03:45PM
well, because those superstar draw too much contact, while they receive some favor calls, ref often miss many correct calls , see how jones tripped kobe and got away with it, sometimes refs have to go benefit of the doubt
dontbookme says:
06/17/09 03:51PM
Yeah, Derek Fishy........
marc-gasol says:
06/17/09 03:51PM

 

lol 300k is far from enough, seriously, you might want to pay em 3mil to stop the black whistle

MrArmageddon says:
06/17/09 03:51PM


What?
jmw59 says:
06/17/09 04:37PM
Jack's a trip @ Lakers games
ct1016 says:
06/17/09 05:39PM

Lakers were better than the Orlando team that Van Gundy gambled and played in the Finals --- playing Nelson at point  is when Orlando is at their best --- but nelson was not at his best....so the Magic was not going to win that series with Nelson getting time and alston totally cracking up /breaking down as a result of Nelson coming back into the mix

As for the FTs....LA's strategy was to HACK howard...that cannot even be considered as a discrepancy

But finally, I do not think this series was rigged at all.....I do think LA (Kobe) benefitted from two or three late calls...but not enough to say the series was rigged.

I just think Donaghy may have more to say and that is why I created the thread...only as FYI for forum readers

composite says:
06/17/09 06:58PM

Not true.  Howard had five of the 17 free throws.  So the other jump shooting Magic players got 12 FTs, while the Lakers got zilch.

If anything, it was rigged AGAINST the Lakers.  But it just didn't work.

 

ct1016 says:
06/17/09 07:23PM
Composite,

 

In my opinion, this years NBA Finals was not rigged.

 

I did not record the games like I normally record all Super Bowls...but these games replayed on ESPN during the early morning hours as well as on NBA TV and I watched quite a few replayed games.

 

The way you can track bogus fouls (made up or erroneous foul calls) is when the TV crew plays the replay and everyone can clearly see there was little or no contact on the called foul......and then the icing on top of the cake that it was a bogus call is when the TV analyst proclaims to the TV viewing audience "FOLKS I AM SORRY BUT THAT WAS NOT A FOUL."

 

That did not happen too much in this series....it was said (in my opinion) in favor of LA as they (Kobe) tend to get the benefit of the doubt from the referees particularly late in ball games when the games are being decided.......

 

as for your FT stat analysis, LA. tended to HACK and make hard fouls if someone was about to get a layup from the 1st QTR til the 4th QTR ...Orlando did not HACK as hard or foul players going in for layups or dunk shots or foul as consistently as LA...which may be another reason why they lost the series.

 

Now, I do think the Cleveland - Orlando series was "fishy" in favor of Cleveland, but the refs could not help that Cavs team defeat a better shooting Orlando team.   It would have been totally obvious to everyone what they were doing if they continued to try to keep the Cavs in those games and extend that series.

 

But keep it real, I did not see many phatom or bogus foul calls that were called against LA...when they committed a foul...even the replay acknowledged that if a foul was called against a Laker player.......no matter how much they cried about it....even the TV analyst said......STOP CRYING, that was clearly a foul.

 

If refs really wanted to rig this thing against LA...both Kobe and Gasol would have been in foul trouble the way Howard and Turkulu got in foul trouble.......but I am not saying this series was rigged against Orlando or LA;

 

Van Gundy gambled (like us) with his lineup and he lost.....there is nothing "rigged" about that.

 

But make no mistake about it, the refs conduct is fishy......and I think Donaghy will enlighten us more and more about this stuff..................and he may even reveal who the true sweet-heart NBA teams are of the mob.......I think their #1 sweet-heart team starts with a "L" and ends with an "A"...........

ct1016 says:
06/17/09 07:37PM

I agree with you.  I do not think the Nuggets-Lakers series was rigged BUT......

some of the Nuggest key guys clearly was taken out of that series in the crucial games (not the elimination game -- Nuggets had clearly quit and did not compete in that game).......Billups and Nene were not allowed to compete due to early whistles in key games.......I remember hearing former Coach Larry Brown talk on one of the sports radio shows about how he hated to see "the look on the Denver Nuggets faces and even on their Caoch's face" and it is a look of the refs is doing a number on us....I think they even picked up a few techs in two or three games because they felt the calls were bogus....and yes even the TV analysts acknowledged on the replay that "sorry folks that was not a foul".

But the damaged has already been done......if a key player is relegated to the bench in the 1st half with three fouls then that hurts the team.....and then they can also not be as agressive in the 2nd half......the other team, in this case LA...keeps momemtum and can rest Kobe and remains confident.

It really doesn't take much for refs to impact a game......until they start placing Kobe, LBJ and all these other mega stars or even their sidekick....like Gasol .....in foul trouble or give them 3 fouls in the 1st half just like they consistently do for their opponents...and since they do not consistently place the "liked teams" in foul trouble then in my opinion the NBA or the referees or BOTH are doing some fishy and shady stuff with these games and it is not on the up-and-up.

Other sports...MLB and NFL do not take key players off the field...they continue to compete and may the best team/man win.....but in the NBA the refs calls can put Howard on the nech (vs Cavs) and Billups & Co. on the bench (vs LA) and it changes the game and the series.

I can't wait til Donaghy starts to speak up.

composite says:
06/17/09 08:08PM
CT - Orlando held the Lakers to 20 points in the 4Q of G4. Kobe and Odom are quick enough to beat their man. Gasol and Bynum play an inside game. If Orlando didn't muscle up and play physical, they couldn't limit the Lakers to 20 points.

 

It's not like the Lakers are the only team to "hack" in the NBA. If anything everyone calls them "soft" and "finesse". This isn't Boston, Cleveland or Houstone we're talking about. 

 

So to get zero.  zip. nada. free throws in a quarter is troubling. Trust me, if the Lakers lost, every Laker would be screaming bloody murder about the refs. The problem was they won. 

 

G4 of the 09 NBA Finals made G6 of the 02 WCF look fairly called. In that game, it was 27-9 FT edge to the Lakers, but 8 were in the 2 minutes when the Kings were in hack-a-shaq mode.

 

Even Laker-hater Bill Simmons admits the Lakers got jobbed in G4. He said he couldn't really fault the Kobe elbow non-call in OT b/c the Magic got all the calls in the 4Q til the end of OT. This is Simmons, whose last article tries to undermine Kobe.

 

I agree the NBA seems fishy, but it tries to sabotage the Lakers as well. But honestly, it's probably hard to see that as a Laker hater. As a Laker fan, I try to rationalize that G6 of the WCF was fair, but in the end I can't.

composite says:
06/17/09 08:10PM
siroz - your #2 example.  Melo had to make a prayer of a shot.  There's no way a ref would rig the game expecting Melo to drain that.

 

If he were rigging it, it'd never get to that point where Denver could win if they made that shot.

 

That was just incompetence.

ct1016 says:
06/17/09 08:50PM
Composite,

 

Howard was the defensive player of the year...but they fouled him out of about three games vs. Cleveland....but it did not help Cleveland...I do not think you are refuting that the Cav-Magic series was fishy

 

But, you appear to be in denial about LA.;  How many games did Kobe, who you must admit is very agressive on offense fighting for position and on defense (throwing elbows and moving his arms etc..etc..etc... they ALLOW him to play)......they do not call those fouls on him.....but when Howard dips just a little bit...and Gasol FLYS to the floor (classic flop) it is an offensive foul on Howard

 

The refs do things in subtle ways......usually it does not come down to calling Kobe for an elbow.......but "riddle me this Composite" if Howard threw that same elbow against Gasol, do you think he would have been called for it...............in my opinion the answer to that question is an emphatic Y.E.S.

 

I said a million times that the Finals series was not rigged but your boys (L.A.) benefit from bogus calls, questionable calls and non-calls more than any other team in the NBA

 

I just hope some of these refs other than just Donaghy comes forward and puts some meat and potatoes to this story so that it will not make me look like I am not being objective hear --- which I clearly am.

 

Time will tell....

pddy says:
06/18/09 02:10AM
the lakers were clearly bettter and hungrier. i could tell the refs even trying to help the damn magic out but they couldnt complete. but YES i do believe that the refs control the game to a tee. any one who gambles seriously can see it happening, not so blatantly all the time, but when the fix is on...all hell breaks loose and you just PRAY that YOU were the right side...and on the refs side. Donaghy gets out soon....i wouldnt be surprise if he gets whacked.
siroz28 says:
06/18/09 02:11AM
The real question is, will they stop even at that rate?
siroz28 says:
06/18/09 02:23AM
I understand your point, composite. The point I was making was how does a 2 clear fouls go by right in front of the referee in a game where 89 free throws are shot? Players from both sides were complaning because most of those fouls were touch fouls. Antoine Wright did everything take the jock strap off of Carmelo and all the Mavericks had stopped playing because they assumed the foul was coming. Instead, Carmelo get a wide open shot at a 3 pts. A wide open shot to a decent NBA player with any kind of perimeter game is 80+% money compared to "prayer of a shot" in your statement and Carmelo is an NBA All Star where he does pretty good damage from the outside. After the game, even the NBA came out and said "The officials in the Denver Nuggest vs Dallas Mavericks game today clearly missed 2 key fouls late in the contest" and issued an apology to the Mavericks. You're right, the refs did not make the shots for him but did give him a CLEAN LOOK at a basket with nobody even close to bother him. That's the point I was making.

composite says:
06/18/09 04:44AM
CT - Take a step back. Orlando - 17 FTs.  Lakers - 0 FTs in the 4Q. 

 

If that happened the whole game, Orlando would have 68 FTs while the Lakers have.... 0 FTs.

 

Just how blatant of an example do you need?

 

Let me frame it differently, CT. If the Lakers got 17 FTs and Orlando got 0 you would be screaming bloody murder that the refs are trying to rig the game in favor of the Lakers.

 

I'm not disagreeing that NBA refs are the worst in all 3 sports. I also agree that the Lakers get the benefit.  A lot.  (G6 of the 02 WCF; non-call on Fisher's foul on Brent Barry in G4 of the 08 WCF).  (As an aside Kings missed 15 out of 30 FTs in G7 of the 02 WCF; yes, they should've won G6, but they only have themselves to blame for G7)

 

I'm just saying the Lakers also get screwed over at times.  17-0 FTs in blatant.  Watch the 04 NBA Finals carefully.  Every ticky-tack contact against Hamilton & Billups gets called while Tayshaun & Co. get to mug Kobe.  Lakers got no calls in G2 of the 08 Finals too.

sports_Network says:
06/18/09 07:01AM
Star players receive star treatment, which they deserve. This is the NBA, and simply put, this is how the NBA has 'always' worked, and always will...fukc with a superstar, and you'll pay the price..Ref's keep their eyes open wide when it comes to their level of play, believe that!
ct1016 says:
06/18/09 09:07AM

Composite,

 

You and I will have to agree to disagree.

 

The truth about your truth, my truth and anyone else's truth is as follows:

 

Poeple see what they what to see

Hear what they want to hear

Believe what they want to believe

Then they believe eveything else

 

THEN THERE IS THE TRUTH!!

 

"taken from the movie The International"

 

It means this, you cite a fact about the free throws...and in your opinion you think the NBA and refs were throwing the game for Orlando () ......I instead look at how the refs are treating Kobe's agressiveness and Howard's agressiveness  is one player permitted to play and is the other not allowed to play....and whistles blow when they do the slightest thing which was the case with Howard not bryant.

But most importantly, when the game is at winning time, is the refs calling the game consistently on both sides.......and in my truth...the answer to that is no.....While it is true that LA creates their own luck & they are good...but it is also true when the other team is just as good and it is an even matchup it is frustrating to the other team when the refs take it from the other team and LA gets the ref advantage by getting a favorable whistle during winning time.

 

Just my opinion and my version of the truth

 

I wait for some of these refs to speak up like Donaghy about these games.....I beleive they will admit that LA gets and got a favorble whistle

olinz says:
06/23/09 10:57AM
Good post!This is what I've basically been trying to say all along!The refs DEFINITELY call the game different,according to who's on the court.And,as a true hoop player and fan myself,it makes me sick!
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