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Who in the hell do you think you are auburn fans?

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Posted Tuesday, December 04, 2012 07:19 PM   40 comments

You have the gall to say i don't like the gus malzahn hiring. YOU'RE AUBURN!!! You're right you didn't hit a HR with this hire... you hit a grand slam. If i was an auburn fan i'd be picking up malzahn from the airport and moving his furniture in to his house

What thought you were getting gruden? No coach is good enough for you. terry Bowden wasn't good enough. Tommy Tuberville wasn't good enough. Gene Chizik wasn't good enough. Malzahn won't be good enough. Hell you could you hire Nick Saban and girl at him in 3 years

You Auburn fans have a lot of big hats not a lot of a cattle. Accept your lot in life you're AUBURN not Alabama. Gus Malzahn will win there provided...

1. You people don't run him out like the others

2. He keeps his crazy wife under control

You Auburn fans you make me laugh. Any other school would hire Gus Malzahn and be thrilled you hire Gus Malzahn and he's a bum. I'm not a Bama fan but Roll Damn Tide

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stichael23 says:
12/04/12 07:39PM
You have no idea what your babbling about.
packers1992 says:
12/04/12 07:41PM
really  stichael elaborate i believe i spoke the truth
User8 says:
12/04/12 07:50PM
What a useless post.  I love Auburn football but it hardly defines my lot in life.  Yeah, and Gruden was never really even brought up. What school are you a fan of?  Just curious.
packers1992 says:
12/04/12 07:52PM

user8 i'm a fan of no team. Just the teams i bet on.

welcome to covers user8

-29- says:
12/04/12 08:22PM

So Jon Gruden is the Holy Grail of college coaches? 

Auburn is a highly coveted job among college coaches. 

The Tigers have a very rich tradition as they have 3 Heisman trophy winners, 2 National Championships, they're 9th in Bowl wins (22), and have 721 alltime wins (13th). They also have the 12th largest stadium in the nation.

 Please,  present your list of NCAA programs that are better jobs. I bet that it will be a short one. 

tideman says:
12/04/12 08:53PM

I would hardly call Malzahn a " Homerun " an upgrade over Chizik possibly, but definitely not the proven big name I thought they would go after, but with the possibility of future sanctions, a proven guy may have been out of the question.

But your thread is a little overboard

Omerta says:
12/04/12 09:30PM
Packers1992 just posts for shock value. Just ignore and move on
jimmydafreak says:
12/04/12 10:00PM


^^^ This ^^^

Anyone that knows anything about how things are run at Auburn knows this is a status quo hire, which means that there is zero chance any of the problems that are plaguing this program will be remedied.  In fact it means the two biggest cancers of the program will remain.

The problem at Auburn was never Gene Chizik.  The problem was everything around Gene Chizik.  So Auburn replaces Gene Chizik, but leaves in tact the "everything around Gene Chizik" part.

In the preseason Auburn thread in which I predicted a disastrous season for Auburn, I said one of the biggest problems with the program is that Chizik was not in control of the program.

http://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=33&sub=101396736

He was nothing more than a puppet of the administration - a front-man.  They never let him run the program.  They never let him implement his own coaching philosophy or hire his own coaches.  Although Chizik took all heat for this disastrous season, he might have been the least culpable of all.

If Malzahn is treated (or mistreated) in the same manner as Chizik was, than this is a terrible turn of events for all Auburn fans, not because Malzahn is a bad coach, but because the cancer on the Plains is being allowed to fester.  It is really a shame.  Auburn needed to hire a strong head coach who has absolute control of the program like Saban does at Alabama, and from all outward appearances, that not has occurred.


jimmydafreak says:
12/05/12 01:22AM
Here's a link to a story that somewhat echos what I said above.

Is Gus Malzahn strong enough to change Auburn for the better?

http://mobile.al.com/advstate/db_96767/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=qBN1bwD9&full=true#display


jimmydafreak says:
12/05/12 01:26AM
Alabama's Kirby Smart, who was Pat Dye's first choice, was not hired because:

"His demands included full disclosure of the state of the NCAA’s current

look-see at the Auburn program, full control of hiring and firing

staffers and the opportunity to coordinate the Alabama defense in the

BCS Championship Game against Notre Dame."

That pretty much tells you all you need to know.  The people responsible for Auburn's colossal failure will continue to run the show.


bobelle34 says:
12/05/12 01:37AM

Respect to you Jimmy and a lot of what you speak of has merit, but i think you are off base on a few things.

1.  Chizik ran his own program freely.  After the BCS in 2010 he let some things slide.  The biggest being the conditioning program and the undermining of SC coach Yoxall.  He also had a falling out with Malzahn.

2.  I don't think Chizik is HC material.  He stepped in at Auburn with Tubberville with an established defense and was successful.  Did the same thing at Texas.  Way too much credit given.  Failure at Iowa State, i understand he inherited a freshman/sophomore team and couldn't do much with that in 2 years.

3.  Contrary to popular belief.  Bobby Lowder, Jimmy Rains and Pat Dye are not the puppet masters anymore.  That ended after jetgate and the bobby petrino fiasco.  Might not have ended, but it's a lot less significant than it was with Tubs or Bowden.  Both of them ran theirselves out.

4.  Yes there is a cancer at Auburn.  It starts with AD Jacobs and he should have been fired along with Chizik.  Jacobs failures extend throughout the entire athletic dept.  The cancer extends with the president and the BOT and none of them know a thing about running a football program or an athletic program.

5.  Saban does not have full control of Alabama!  Mal Moore does, along with a host of wealthy alumni.  Let Saban lose to Malzahn for 4 or 5 years in a row and the rings won't mean anything to them.  They will run him off.  Saban is about to win his 3rd BCS title at bama and he still has to put up with videos of Bear Bryant appearing on the big screen every tv timeout.  Hell, Paul Finebaum is probably about even with Saban on control of the football program.

Auburn is and always will be the red headed step child to Alabama and that's fine with me.  We've owned the series since 1982 and will be just fine.

I wear Auburn colors because i graduated from there.  Most Alabama fans wear the gear because they went to Wal-Mart.

 

 

Theone324 says:
12/05/12 09:15AM
Packers just spews horseshit out of his mouth on a daily basis and has 0 idea what he is talking about. 
Wiland44 says:
12/05/12 10:45AM

No he sure doesn't... Auburn is a family.. not that crap you see on TV with the ALL-IN.. that is the easy to speak motto... We are the same as every family, we will tell you what is on our mind and not care if you can handle it.

Gus is going to become a machine there.. He is going to change football on the plains for a long time. I for one can't wait.. Bring me that Oregon style O and toss in some SEC style D and we will run people over... I love SEC football and the people that are not happy with this move are the OLD guard.. Get in the fast lane, grandma, the bingo game's ready to roll!

I like your passion but it is badly misdirected. WAR DAMN EAGLE and for my wife... RTR!!!!!!!

Auburn will be back very soon, and the track meet is coming with us..

Scott

LM5545 says:
12/05/12 01:46PM
After listening to the above posts from Alabama-Auburn fans I know that A&M is gonna fit in just fine. The SEC has infiltrated the State of Texas and the future will  be quite interesting as I believe the SEC will now step up recruiting in Texas 10 fold. A&M has surprised the whole State with their success this year. Who woulda thunk it? 
jimmydafreak says:
12/05/12 01:53PM

1.  Chizik had no control whatsoever over any hires.  That means he was not even allowed to run his own system.  He was forced to run the system of the coaches that were hired for him.  Therefore, I don't even know what Chizik's philosophy is on either side of the ball.  When Chizik wanted to unburden the program of the biggest cancers, he was overruled.  When you run a program in this manner, you undermine the authority of the head coach.  That is exactly why the players didn't respect his authority.  Even the players knew he was a puppet.

2.  I agree that Chizik is not a very good coach.  I said so many times.  That said, it's difficult to get a true measure of his coaching ability given the circumstances that were foisted upon him.

3.  Popular belief is 100% correct, and this hire proved it.  Dye wanted Kirby Smart, but declined to offer him the job when he demanded full control of the program.  Dye will never give up full control as long as he's still tipping up shot glasses.

4.  Jacobs is another puppet.  I doubt he had any input whatsoever on the coaching hire.

5.  Saban has absolute control over football operations at Alabama.  Mal Moore is his boss.

You appear to be the type of Auburn fan who can't come to grips with the reality of the internal turmoil taking place within the program.  I spoke about it at length before the season began (link above).  I described Chizik as a puppet, and the program as being an out-of-control tire fire.  I said the team would be terrible, would begin the season 1 & 4 and would not qualify for a bowl game.

Meanwhile Auburn fans like you who refuse to deal with reality were trying to convince me how they were going to compete for a SEC title.  All the signs the signs that Auburn was a train wreck were there pre-season.  How is it that I was able to see it and the average Auburn fan couldn't???  It's the same thing that afflicts to this day - your warped perception of reality.


jimmydafreak says:
12/05/12 02:02PM


I think TAMU has shocked everyone this season. For me they were a complete wildcard heading into the season.  I really didn't know what to expect from them.  With TAMU now being in the SEC, and with what's happening at Texas, TAMU has a great opportunity to own the state of Texas.  They will definitely be a force to be reckoned with in the future.

LM5545 says:
12/05/12 02:25PM
That is exactly what they wanted .......they have been the step child for 100 years. Now they have the opportunity to overcome the Burnt Orange dominance and in their eyes the envy of all college football fans in Texas. They themselves are just as surprised as anybody. Oh my Gosh....I'm envisioning a cocky Aggie fan now......time to move to Costa Rica.
EagleDinner says:
12/05/12 02:38PM
That's entirely wrong Jimmy.

The fault of last season was Gene Chizik's and his alone. After the 2010 season Chizik felt slighted that everyone had doubted him and that they were now giving the credit to his players and more importantly his offensive coordinator. He then took it upon himself to change the offensive philosophy of the football team, because of his wounded ego. Malzahn was unhappy with him meddling with how he called his plays and so took a paycut to go coach at Arkansas State, the rest is history.

Kirby Smart wasn't hired because quite frankly, Malzahn interviewed better then he did. If Smart had been hired, Bama fans would've been yelling "he got hired because he's Pat Dye's guy!" Pat Dye wanted him, and we didn't hire him, he even admitted it right after we hired Malzahn so how does that work with your fantasy world that he's running our football program Jimmy? You're smarter then this to be pulled along by the Bama-fans that are obsessed with everything Auburn crowd.
1969USC says:
12/05/12 02:49PM

 

Auburn is a highly coveted job among college coaches. 

 

What planet do you live on? 

Auburn doesn't even make the top 20.

The_BigDog says:
12/05/12 04:03PM
You win my prize for one of best one liners ever on Covers

And you didn't even have to call anyone names.... classy, well done

jimmydafreak says:
12/05/12 06:05PM


Of course Chizik deserves some culpability for what happened.  Other than that there is really nothing in your 1st paragraph that has any basis in reality.

Just curious, have your read Chizik's book "All in???"

Kirby Smart was Pat Dye's first choice.  There are 5 or 6 different reliable sources that reported that yesterday.  One of those sources was Kevin Scarbinsky who is a well-connected and very pro-Auburn sports writer in the State of Alabama.  I linked his article above.  Paul Finebaum also tweeted it.  An Auburn friend of mine who is also fairly well connected even posted yesterday morning that Auburn had hired Kirby Smart on his Facebook page.

So two things we can take away from this.  #1 is that, contrary to your assertions above, Pat Dye was the decision maker, and #2 Dye is not willing to release his stranglehold on control of football operation at Auburn.  Both of these things are very bad for the future prospects of Auburn football.  It means business as usual.  It means that all of the people who were responsible for bringing down the program will remain in power.

The good thing about the Malzahn hire is that it will probably salvage Auburn's recruiting class, so that is a huge plus.  As far as Alabama fans are concerned, they are absolutely giddy over the Malzahn hire because they know his hiring poses zero threat to Alabama's dominance in the state.  In short, this hire was a huge win for Alabama fans, and a huge loss for Auburn fans in my opinion.  There is still, however, plenty of time for Malzahn to prove me wrong.


EagleDinner says:
12/05/12 08:35PM

You're not making any sense. You're saying that Dye is the head decision maker, and yet we didn't hire the guy he wanted. Even Harvey Updyke could see the logic that says that if a person is the head decision maker, then wouldn't they make the hire be the person they actually wanted? 

There was a committee. With 4 people on it, and all 4 had to sign off of on it. I don't think of Bo Jackson, Pat Sullivan, and Mac Crawford being guys who get bossed into anything. They all wanted Malzahn after interviewing Smart and Malzahn, because they thought he was the best man for the job. What on earth does Pat Dye have to do with any of this? I swear, the conspiracy theories you Bama fans make up in your own heads are some of the most outlandish I've ever heard. 

That's fine that you're not scared of Malzahn. I don't really care, it has been obvious though from the objective eye that the teams that have given Alabama trouble..are in fact teams like the one Malzahn will build. (Utah, TAMU, Auburn 2010). Even Ole Miss gave Alabama one of it's closest games of the year. 
EagleDinner says:
12/05/12 08:43PM
Also, thoughts on Malzahn firing all of the staff today? Seems to me he's cleaning house. Early word is Ellis Johnson to be next DC.
bobelle34 says:
12/05/12 09:01PM

[Quote: Originally Posted by jimmydafreak]

Of course Chizik deserves some culpability for what happened.  Other than that there is really nothing in your 1st paragraph that has any basis in reality.

Just curious, have your read Chizik's book "All in???"

Kirby Smart was Pat Dye's first choice.  There are 5 or 6 different reliable sources that reported that yesterday.  One of those sources was Kevin Scarbinsky who is a well-connected and very pro-Auburn sports writer in the State of Alabama.  I linked his article above.  Paul Finebaum also tweeted it.  An Auburn friend of mine who is also fairly well connected even posted yesterday morning that Auburn had hired Kirby Smart on his Facebook page.

So two things we can take away from this.  #1 is that, contrary to your assertions above, Pat Dye was the decision maker, and #2 Dye is not willing to release his stranglehold on control of football operation at Auburn.  Both of these things are very bad for the future prospects of Auburn football.  It means business as usual.  It means that all of the people who were responsible for bringing down the program will remain in power.

The good thing about the Malzahn hire is that it will probably salvage Auburn's recruiting class, so that is a huge plus.  As far as Alabama fans are concerned, they are absolutely giddy over the Malzahn hire because they know his hiring poses zero threat to Alabama's dominance in the state.  In short, this hire was a huge win for Alabama fans, and a huge loss for Auburn fans in my opinion.  There is still, however, plenty of time for Malzahn to prove me wrong.


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Jimmy, are you Shane from Center Point?  I know you'll know who i'm talking about.

 

bobelle34 says:
12/05/12 09:04PM

 

-29- says:
12/05/12 11:02PM

 

Whatever you say O.J. .  

 There is obviously a lot of SEC envy sweeping the college football nation and it seems that some of the most afflicted are USC fans. The truth is coaches DO strive to someday be a HC in the SEC and among SEC schools Auburn is in the top half. Would anybody want to make the argument that Arkansas is a better job than Auburn? Of course not! Yet the B1G's champion HC of the past three years Brett Beliema has decided to leave Wisconsin for Arkansas. He would rather be the coach of an average SEC team than the coach of the B1G three time defending champions?

 So I'd say that the list of college programs that were a more desireable destination for current D1 HCs than Auburn would be limited to; Big10- Ohio State and Michigan, ACC- Florida State, SEC - Alabama,LSU,Florida, Big12 -Texas,Oklahoma, PAC12- USC, Ind.-Notre Dame

bobelle34 says:
12/05/12 11:31PM

Yes, i know Shane from Center Point died.  Very comical call ins over the years from Finebaums supposed brother in law and huge alabama fan.

gwjtf says:
12/06/12 09:49AM
Guys, I don't know about all the politics of Auburn's athletic department, but I know this, and it will be realized over the course of the next couple seasons - this was a home run hire, even though now it isn't a big-name hire.  Malzahn has done nothing but win everywhere he's ever been - in HS competing in 5 state championships, winning 3, at Arkansas developing the wildcat and winning 10 games, at Tulsa setting school offensive records and leading the nation offensively, at Auburn going 8-5 the two years they didn't win a national title, at ASU winning a Sun Belt Championship.  Everywhere he goes, they do better while he's, and inevitably do worse after he leaves.  It isn't a coincidence, and it isn't because he destroys programs and leaves.  It's because he's a helluva coach.  He will win big at Auburn.

GW
ugadog99 says:
12/06/12 10:18AM

Saban has TOTAL control of the Bama program.  No other coach in the SEC comes close to that type of control from A to Z.  I wish Richt had at least half the control of his program does that Bama has.  UGA would dominate the East.  UGA was the last team to get a freaking nutritionist for crying out loud and we have the most profitable Athletic department in the country.  Pitiful.

Pat Dye controls AU.  No two ways about it.

trackem says:
12/06/12 10:31AM

I want to add a few things. This will be in random order.

I wanted Smart. Like jimmy said, he wanted control and was not granted control. So, he turned it down. Smart is smart.
I was not 'excited' for the GM hire.
GM not being Dyes choice is good.
I am glad to see that GM let Trooper and Looper go. This is a step in the right direction.
I think DCEJ is a GREAT hire.
Chizik lost control of the team, 2012 is a result of that loss of control.
Jay Jacobs needs to be fired....... like yesterday or the day before, or the day before....
Saban has TOTAL control over his program.
The Auburn job is a good job, to spite the negatives.
***Only 4 times since 2005 has a BCS conf HC left his school and gone to another BCS conf as HC. I do not remember who all were but Rich Rod is one (WF'nV to Mich) and the other 3 were just about as successful had Rich Rod. So, not getting a 'Home Run' (BIG name, BCS conf coach) is not always bad. ***These are 2nd or 3rd hand numbers. I am going to do a lil research and find out the vadility.

 

trackem says:
12/06/12 10:32AM
jimmy, PM me your twitter handle plz
Wiland44 says:
12/06/12 10:54AM

May he rest in peace... outside of that "F" him... Trash talk is fun and I love a good smack talk arguement.. but when you get personal and drag people through the mud and basically spew hate you lose that part from others to care.... Finebaum is a great reminder to me of what some, SOME bama and AU fans are like to each other and takes away from me that part that misses living in Alabama...

WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!!!

Wiland44 says:
12/06/12 01:18PM

And to tag onto that post I made... I also didnt agree with Bobby from Homewood trashing the guy after he died.......

Its a Football game not your life....

 

in_the_black says:
12/06/12 10:34PM
Hey Pawwwwwwwl

At one time I was as good or a better hitter than Ted Williams ever dreamed of being and if not for an injury Id be in the HOF today
I was also as good a golfer as Tiger Woods in his prime

People don't like me cause I'm honest and tell it like it is
Jim from Tuscaloosa
Wiland44 says:
12/07/12 10:26AM

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude is annoying as Legend and Tammy put together....

warcameagle56 says:
01/08/13 12:12PM
Listening to Jim on Finebaum is entertaining.I picture him talking outside on his porch drinking a martini.He s a lil hostile but was right about Teo...#5 got his behind handed to him but hey everybody has bad nights..Ray Newis has had them.Congrats to Bama...I wont say Roll Tide,but I enjoyed watching Bama in LSU,TXA&M,and Georgia.Bama won it this year on heart not talent...by outworking their opponents.Unless Bama has a slew of injuries ..see 1993..I see Bama 3peat..4 of 5..Hey,Gus Malzahn has his work cut out for him,but I believe Auburn has right man..All we will hear about offseason will be Bama,Johnny Football,...Im already down College football is over.Alabama freaking ROLLED last night.Bring on Urban and Big10..
ambratrade says:
03/26/13 10:10AM
if you would like to pay for it, i think you love it. at least more than who don't pay for it .
warcameagle56 says:
05/03/13 06:41AM
Whenever I hear people say Pat Dye has control of the Auburn program I first have to take a minute to breathe because I cant stop laughing because is the most ridiculuos thing Ive ever heard about Auburn.Tuberville instructed Pat Dye "to stay off his sidelines".The man doesnt even own a computer..When its starts going downhill @Auburn changes are made quickly..Pat Dye went 5-6 &5-5-1..GONE..Tiny Terry Bowden 3-8..GONE midseason-98 team much like Tuberville's 08 team and Chizik's 2012 team the teams didnt look even the least bit prepared.Thats why they were replaced.It sure didnt help things when Tuberville was on a hunting trip immediately after he got romped by Tide in Tuscaloosa by 30.Heck,I still think Cliff Ellis ( former basketball coach and Auburn is STILL PAYING FOR THAT POOR MOVE)was fired just because they didnt rid Tubs early enough...If u saw Auburn s last year's team u couldnt help but see the wheels just came off.That is why they brought in 2010 Sports Illustrated Man of the Year-Gus Malzahn to be the head coach..This time last year I made some statements about Gus that werent positive.Last time I checked Im entitled to change my mind.Its not going to take 4 yrs to turn around the program.Write it down CFB Inaugural Playoffs Auburn will be in Nola or Pasadena.I think Auburn will win 9 games this year if things go right.There are obviously a lot of IF S.Look how quick Freez has turned around Ole Miss and its a heck of a lot more difficult to win@Ole Miss than Auburn.Ole Miss couldve easily beat TexasA&M or LSU last yr.Its a game of inches..a play here and a play there changes a lot of lives.How loaded is the SEC WEST with good coaches..Saban,Gus,MadHatter,Billemna from Wisky,Freez,Sumlin,Mullin...Thats 7 really good coaches IMO.I dont think Bama 3 peats just for the fact they have had a horeshoe in their behind.Its not like they just crushed everybody last year..losing to TexasA&M,ESCAPING LSU & Ga..then like 2011 and 2012 they had A LOT OF HELP to get back to the BCS Title game.Bama is 6-0 in National Title games so I give credit were is due..Bama seizes the opportunity.3 peating in the sport of football is the hardest thing to do in major sports.Pat Dye has as much influence on the program as I do.Smart wasnt seriously considered as head coach.Listen to Terry Saban s interview about Smart being the next head coach@Bama..its hysterical really.Not a chance he s the next coach@Bama.There is ur real puppet.
warcameagle56 says:
05/03/13 07:29AM
Jimmy knows his shz about college football...no doubt about that.He is accurate on some of things about Auburn,but close to wacko on other areas.There hasnt been anybody that has grilled Jacobs more than me,but like Obama I support him because he is the leader of something I truly love.Auburn is always quick to fire..believe me,the basketball program is still suffering because of it.They have certainly made their share of mistakes...we are one of the most penalized programs in CFB history,but from what Im hearing...The NCAA would like to dismiss ALL CHARGES..U should come visit the Lovliest village on the plains..3rd generation Auburn man..SAE,Sigma Chi & ATO baby.
warcameagle56 says:
06/18/13 02:48PM
Write it down because u heard it from me first.Auburn will be in the CFB Inaugural 2014 Playoffs.
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