jmw59 says:
True Value:

But does he have "team player" as part of his resume?

ValueforRent says:


I don't know why people think Vince Carter is such a bad guy.  He's never gotten arrested, never shot anyone, never raped anyone, never gone to prison.  He's a choir boy.  If you had to play with some of the stiffs he's played with you wouldn't want to be much of a "team player" either.  Seriously when my options include Yi and Bobby Simmons, why would I pass instead of shooting myself?  He still averaged almost 5 assists last year anyways.  When you play with other good players you're naturally much more inclined to sharing the ball because you know they can actually do something productive with it.

Orlando wouldn't have made this trade if they thought Hedo was coming back.  He obviously wanted crazy money, like at least 10 mill per after what he did in the playoffs, and he's not worth that.  Hedo isn't young either, he's 30.  Vince is 32.  Vince is a much better player overall.  Good trade.  If Orlando had one weakness last year it was that they had no player who could get his own shot off in crunch time.  Vince can do that.  He can still takeover a game even at this stage of his career.  Hedo wanted 10 mill a year and he can't even create his own shot.  Why should they pay him that?           

ct1016 says:

Well said...and I couldn't agree more with everything you wrote.

I hate to go so far back, but VC was a good tar heel and he knows the meaning of team ball --- he played second fiddle to Antoine Jamison when they were at Chappel Hill - North Carolina

I think he will fit in nicely and give the team exactly what they are looking for;

Megamaniak says:
Agreed. Vince is horrendous.

nbafan88 says:
i'm hoping for a cavs championship next year

shaq retirement

lebron departure

to NJ

VGPOP says:
The Magic will be better with Vince, not worse. Not even close.

Magic staring five:

Howard
Carter
Lewis
Nelson
Pietrus

We ALL knew Magic was going to get rid of Alston. That's a given.

So, this trade comes to Carter vs Lee.

A established scorer that motivated can take over a game and is as clutch as Hedo (or better).

Lee is a potential good player.

Magic just went to the Finals, and this team is built to win NOW. Not 4-5 years from now.

The thing about Hedo is that a lot of times he just penetrated basket throwing ball high with the glass trying to make basket or Howard to grab offensive rebound to bail him out.

There were times as well that he didn't defend.

He was clutch, no doubt about that, but adding Carter is not as bad as it looks. It's even better.

Now pietrus could be a starting player.

This is the guy that demolished Cavaliers and had a decent series against Lakers.

Kobe just schooled Lee and Pietrus did a better job than Lee.

Orlando is right on top again as one of the elite teams in the NBA.

This trade is fantastic for Magic.

VGPOP says:
What Magic need now is a power forward.

Is Antonio Mcdyess available?

ct1016 says:
Not me.  In the NBA every team needs to run their offense and on occassion -- late in ball games -- have a go to player or a go to option.......who did the Magic go to late in games?

 

By acquiring VC they now have that go to option. 

 

As far as his age goes....Jordan was still winning titles at his age...and didn't Kome just get one at 30 or something along those lines?

 

Hedo is good...but he cannot get his own shot without an effective pick (and roll)...VC still can get his own shot.

 

The playoffs exposes where you need to get better...and as good as the Magic are(were) they too can get better.

 

I agree with Value4Rent, this was a good move for the Magic.

 

If you were playing on a poor team, then your shot selection would look poor too........the real VC will show up in Orlando....we may even may see some more Vinsanity stuff late in ball games in Orlando that we did not see in NJ

scalabrine says:

when's the last time they were a factor? what are you smoking?

They went to the finals 2 years in a row this decade...and what is this "worst ever business?" They clearly weren't the worst ever or they wouldn't have made it through TO THE FINALS. And a 'better' team was clearly WORSE than them since they beat them in a seven game series. And how about 10 consecutive playoff victories...putting them in record setting territory with all time great NBA teams. 

I said as a Nets fan, because I've studied and watched them much longer and from a more in-depth vantage point than 99% of all basketball fans. It was not to announce a bias for them or else I'd be shooting myself in the foot. 

Are you ok? Who said he was a top 10 player? No one cares about that. Add him to Dwight and Lewis and you'd be hard-pressed to find any knowledgeable NBA fan who doesn't think that is not an upgrade over Turk.

You have a reading comprehension problem...a severe one at that...i outlined the trades the nets have made to show how shrewd Rod was when he makes them...i.e. how they ultimately pay dividends for the Nets. On the face of it, this LOOKS like a salary dump and I clearly thought the Nets got the better of the deal but I've been wrong in the past. I wasn't thrilled when they got Kidd. He changed his entire persona and embraced the team and state and took them to the finals in his FIRST YEAR. So I'll let Rod's trading ability speak for itself and talk to you in a year. I like the trade for the Magic but am conflicted as to what is being given up. Still I can't think Courtney Lee matter this much because he is the ONLY real piece for the Nets. Rod doesn't even know Alston's real name. 

You're losing too much credibility here. Anyone who know anything about the NBA takes Carter over Turk. Bar none. End of story. 

Borat38 says:


Turkeyglue should be paid in his native country's currency—

1 US Dollar = 1.55150 Turkish Lira

11 mil Lira would come out to US$ 8mil, give or take. That's more than generous, considering he doesn't even command double teams.

westcoastTrojan says:

Again, like I've been saying, you cant look at this deal without including Turk in the deal. Bringing in VC cost them a shot at Turk. This is the equivalent of a team losing a key player (Turk) and doing some damage control and trading for a player like VC. In the end, it cost them way too many players. And now it probably cost them Gortat. Orlando was successful because their bench provided much needed minutes. Courtney Lee was a pretty important part of this team.

westcoastTrojan says:

Yeah, selfishness and the ability to fake injuries at crucial times. That is definitely one thing they lacked, someone who wasnt afraid to shoot the ball.

westcoastTrojan says:
I dont think theres ever been that much written about CJ Watson in the previous post!  It makes it sound like he's actually worth mentioning.

ct1016 says:

But all joking aside, I will take Vin-sanity over Hedu

Just like LA decided to go with Artest over Ariza.

Sometimes you just have to take the better player

VC > Hedu

Artest > Ariza

ct1016 says:

I agree.

I think what really makes Orlando...Orlando is Jameer Nelson the all star "might mouse" quick guard and Dwight Howard "Superman 2" down low stud.

The pre-injury Jameer Nelson all star was the key to the Orlando team that defeated LA -- Kinda like what Brooks gave Houston which also gave LA a little trouble.

If jameer is back healthy and Dwight improves just a little bit more...then Orlando is tough just because of what those two bring to the table.

That being said, I love their 3 acquisitions --- I think they all will fit in nicely.

ct1016 says:

This is a corny phrase and it may not totally apply

"But you have to get busy living or get busy dying"

I do not think teams can stay the same year after year after year...and expect to be able to contend for titles.

The Magic as good as they were last year was exposed....HOW, you ask?

1. Howard must get better in the post.  We all know the Magic is not going to give up with that Stud.  So get your butt in the gym Howard and practice, practice, practice.

2.  Their backcourt was too small.  In the next 2 to 4 years teams must have a bigger back court to contend with Kobe.  Bye bye Courtnay Lee who was abused in the NBA Finals and exposed the Magic as being too small in the back court....especially since the Magic has decided to keep Mighty Mouse as the PG and he is an extremely small PG.....they cannot also have a small SG too.

3.  Alston said he wanted to start....and conducted himself like he should be the starter.  He was left open during several rounds of the playoffs and looked shaky and ulitmately did not make teams pay for leaving him open...BYE BYE Rafer.

4.  Now Turkulu is a little tricky.  Yes, he is a good player.  But in the end, he always needs pick and roll to get his shot off.  And he was looking to get P.A.I.D. with a capital "P".  Why not replace him and get better at the same time with a player that can hit the open "3", do pick and roll, pick and pop....and on top of that get his own shot up off isolation.......BYE BYE Turk and enter Vince

So Rafer, Turk, and Lee leaving has made this Magic team evolve and gives them a chance to deal with their weaknesses all at the same time........teams cannot stay the same from year to year especially after they have been exposed showing teams how to beat them.   The Magic had to evolve or die....get busy living (changing and evolving) or get busy dying (losing).

I still think that Boston evolved the best....but I am also looking at the Spurs too (Jefferson, Blair, and they just signed a SF from spain that averages 16 PPG).

ct1016 says:
I still like the trade.

 

VC is

1.  more athletic than Turkulu

 

2.  can get his shot off without exclusively using pick and roll

 

3.  can also hit the three like Turkulu and is a player that can get on the wing and finish with Jameer Nelson on the fastbreak

 

I am surprised at how many people feel that this was not a good deal for Orlando.

 

VC is now playing with three all stars (Jameer N., Dwight H., and Rashard L.) and he is not being asked to be the franchise guy...but Orlando has now acquired a guy that is use to being the guy.......YES, he was not successful....but it does not diminish that the Magic has acquired a guy that can either get his shot off using pick and roll...pick and pop........ISOLATION.....or spot off three point shooting......and that is an upgrade from Turkulu. 

Smoke_O says:
Gortat's deal was matched by the Magic. So he's coming back and I like there team ALOT....I wish Vince Carter wasnt there but oh well

 

PG Nelson

SG Carter

SF Lewis

PF Bass

C Howard

 

bench: Ryan Anderson, Gortat, Pietrus, Reddick

 

This team is looking like a player next year. I still dont understand why the Cavs didnt make a move at Gortat. He oculd of been there presence downlow as well as equalizer to Howard.

LTE23 says:
SOMETHING NEW!!! AND A SMART MOVE BY THE MAGIC. AJ WONT GET IT DONE BUT SOME FRESH LEGS COULD HELP ALOT AND GSTATE HAS TOO MANY PG OVER THERE THEY HAD TO GET RID OF CRAWFORD ALREADY.

marnypoly says:

I'd rather have VC for 3 years than Turk for 5.

VC numbers were better all across the board. Not sure how you think they'll be worse team with him.

And if they sign Bass or Dice then I'd rather have those 2 over Battie and Gortat.

JerryWrasse says:
Where to begin?  Lets start with Alston, who was a rented player.  Jameer is without question the starter and leader of this team. 

 

Vince Carter is better than Turkeygoo is just about every aspect.  I don't know where people come up with Turk is the better defender, shooter, etc.  People are hung up on his post-season performance and not his entire body of work.  Ask any Magic fan about Turkeygoo and most will start off by talking about his inconsistencies.  I really like him as a player, but he is so darn frustrating to watch. 

 

Vince Carter, I don't think is this me first player that everyone is making him out to be.  Look at how he took a back seat to Harris this past season.  His assist totals are comparable to Turkeygoo's.  To me this appears to be a cheaper alternative.   

 

I'm also a fan of Lee, but no is talking about Ryan Anderson.  Orlando's lack of bulk was exposed against LA.  And this kid put up similar rookie stats to Lee.

 

Now I can't predict if this team is going to be better or not this up coming season.  On paper I don't think there is a question about it.  What remains to be seen is if this team can play with the same cohesiveness as last season and how VC will fit in.