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Heat vs Bulls analysis (looking back at the Celts)

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Posted Saturday, May 14, 2011 05:51 PM   26 comments
So the Heat got by the Celtics in 5, but the Celtics could have easily won games 1 & 5 if they could have held on in the 4th quarter. For those who watched the Heat pass their first test, I expect them to have more difficulties with the Bulls.

Lets break down the differences in the Bulls & the Celtics FIRST.

1. O'neal vs Noah (obvious advantage to CHI with offensive rebounding and great on pick and roll D. His presence on both sides of the ball as a terrific screener will be felt much greater than Jermaine's weak ass.

2. KG vs Boozer (I was going to say a draw, but I give a slight edge to KG because of his Defensive presence, but KG also doesn't have Noah next to him to help him with that liability. Offensively, Boozer is a better shooter IMO than KG at this point in his career. I also believe that Boozer draws contact in the paint better than KG.

3. Pierce vs Deng (edge to Boston normally, but because Pierce was worn out in this series from guarding Miami's perimeter players, this edge is very slight. Deng is a very underrated player and can shoot the 3 better than Pierce. He also guards perimeter players very well.

4. Ray Allen vs Bogans (advantage to Boston, but not as much as people think. Bogans defense is as good if not better than Allen's, and he can make the 3 ball. Obviously Allen is a much purer scorer than Bogans, but unfortunately Allen could not propel Boston to a game 6.

5. Rondo vs Rose (considering that Rondo had 1 arm, this is a major advantage for the Bulls and will be a huge key to determining the series. Rose can pass like Rondo, drive to the rim better than him, shoot better than him, and play just as good of defense if not better.

Bench: West/Green vs Gibson/Korver/Brewer/Asik/Watson (another huge advantage for the Bulls considering all of their length on the bench and I'd much rather have CJ watson and Gibson over West/Green any day of my life. Kyle Korver is a knock down shooter and I'll take him to shoot the last 3 of any game. The celtics had one player on their team like that--- Ray Allen.

My point of this whole analysis is that Boston and Chicago are two completely different beasts. Yes, they are both defensive-oriented hard nosed clubs, but Chicago's ability to get offensive rebounds with Noah (which Boston NEVER was able to do during the entire series, even though Miami has a tendency to allow offensive rebounds)  combined with their depth on the bench should propel the Bulls to victory.


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depeche2 says:
05/14/11 06:55PM
Not sure how useful this analysis is, although the conclusion that the teams are very different is certainly sound.  The other difference in Boston from past years is they didn't have Tom Thibodeau on their bench this year.  The Bulls do.  Thibs goes to the Bulls and now they're suddenly better than the Celtics.  I don't want to smear Doc, but Thibs was the brains behind that operation.
scsiegel89 says:
05/14/11 07:11PM


Depeche,

I believe it is very important digesting the Heat's previous matchup in order to predict their future problems. I totally agree about Thibs though. He is the master-mind and much better than Lawrence Frank
dnt_fade_me_bro says:
05/14/11 07:49PM


The only thing I strongly disagree with is the Rondo vs Rose passing.  Personally, I think Rondo is a much better passer in every facet of point guard passing then Rose is.  I'd say that Rondo is much better at perimeter passing, interior passing, court vision, ball handling, and decision making.  In practically any other comparison I can think of I'd say Rose is much better.
scsiegel89 says:
05/14/11 07:52PM


I agree, but in my analysis, I was talking about Rondo with one arm.
Fairweatherfan says:
05/14/11 08:01PM
You do make some good points, but there is some clear bias here, you really can't make the argument that bogans is comparable to Ray in any way, it's just not close.  Yes Bogans is a good player and he probably does deserve a little more credit, but Ray was really the clear star for Boston in that series, and while Bogans is a very solid role player...there's no comparison whatsoever.

Boozer to KG is probably correct, KG is only barely better, but that's assuming it's a healthy Boozer that makes his presence felt offensively to make up for his defense, Deng to Pierce is a little bit biased as well because Pierce still works hard defensively on that Boston team - as does Deng for Chicago - but Pierce is a consistent offensive threat and Deng does has his moments, but is not nearly as consistent.
tjohnsont says:
05/14/11 08:03PM

You basically said Bulls are better than Celtics but your write up almost leans to Celtics as better. 

scsiegel89 says:
05/14/11 08:21PM


not sure if you read correctly but I'll break it down for you

Center: Bulls HUGE Advantage
PF: Draw/Slight edge Celts
SF: Celts slight advantage
SG; Celts BIG advantage
PG: Bulls BIG Advantage (with Rondo only playing with 1 arm)
Bench: Bulls HUGE advantage

The Bulls have 2 huge advantage & 2 Big Advantages over the C's while and only 1 Big disadvantage and 2 slight disadvantages.


Make sense now???
scsiegel89 says:
05/14/11 08:21PM


Excuse me, its only 1 big advantage, but still clearly better than the C's
scsiegel89 says:
05/14/11 08:23PM


The only thing I really compared Bogans to Allen was his defense. And in the upcoming series, Bogans will only be needed for his defense and spot up 3s. Those are his two best things and I am not doubting Allen at all.
scsiegel89 says:
05/14/11 09:07PM



RonsterG says:
05/14/11 09:13PM

FUCK THE CELTICS AND NOW IS THE BULLS TURN.......THAT LITTLE MIGHTY MOUSE GUARD THEY HAVE IS GOING TO GET DP BY LEBRON AND WADE.......CELTICS!  WHAT THEY SHOULD DO IS GET DANNY AINGE OUT OF THERE......GAVE AWAY ANY CHANCE TO GO TO THE FINALS BY TRADING PERKINS.........AND NOW HE SAYS HE CAN'T GARANTEE RONDO A CONTRACT NEXT YEAR.......THATS THERE WHOLE FRANCHISE THERE........BULLS AND CELTICS    HAHAHA

scsiegel89 says:
05/14/11 09:28PM


i understand your anger towards the celtics. they disappointed alot of people and ainge never should have traded perkins in the first place. but lets not get  off topic here
scsiegel89 says:
05/14/11 09:38PM


of course, you are no where to be found when you try and call someone out and are a complete deuchbag about it as well.
scsiegel89 says:
05/15/11 11:50AM


and you are no where to be found??? hmmm...........
ct1016 says:
05/15/11 12:08PM

Moving Perkin step 1

signing doc rivers to a multi year deal was step 2

.....

call me crazy, but is their truth to the rumor that the celtics will try HARD to get Dwight Howard.....???

gridironguy says:
05/15/11 12:14PM
2 things you cannot discount which are HUGE:

1) Celtics are aging quickly so there is a fatigue factor against them that the bulls do not have

2) Celtics have their ring already and made the finals last year, so subconsciously not as hungry as the bulls are.  NEVER underestimate how big a factor hunger is in chasing a ring and dealing with the emotional and mental stress of a playoff run

these 2 factors alone make chicago a MUCH tougher matchup for miami than boston was


JerryWrasse says:
05/15/11 01:17PM
If your going to make this comparison then you have to compare the Hawks to the Heat. Its painfully obvious that the Celtics compare to the Bulls much better than the Hawks to the Heat.
scsiegel89 says:
05/15/11 01:19PM


well the reason I made this comparison is because people are saying if the Heat can beat up on the C's, they should have NO problem with the Bulls BECAUSE of their similarities. This is why I dissected these two teams and looked at their differences and how it will affect the Heat series
scsiegel89 says:
05/15/11 01:19PM


totally agree. thanks for the comment.
ghostfaceripper says:
05/15/11 01:27PM

Celtics next season, D Howard and Chris Paul.........then I woke up

bigtrip says:
05/15/11 01:31PM
Boozer equal to KG, that's a joke right.  Boozer had one good game against the Hawks and sucked the rest of the series and now he is equal to a 1st team all NBA defender and a future HOF.  Very biased IMO.
GoinStreakn says:
05/15/11 01:36PM
I like your write-up.  Very good similarities between Shy Town and Bean Town.  I mean 1 team allowed 91.1 and the other allowed 91.3 points per game.  I agree with the other guy about Bogans not comparing to Ray.  I mean dude look at some prop bets once in a while.  Stats are way off although of course stats aren't everything. BTW, Ray Allen is greatest 3 point shooter ever.......   Deng does not shoot the 3 better than Pierce either.  Miami should still win this series maybe not in 5.  That was way too easy.  Bulls ain't that bad and they got home court
scsiegel89 says:
05/15/11 01:38PM


First off, I am not biased. KG is 34 years old and his knees are very creaky. Second off, if you read, I said slight edge to the celtics because of KG's defense, but he doesn't have Noah next to him which is why Boozer's defensive liabilities wont be exposed as much. 
scsiegel89 says:
05/15/11 01:39PM


I know Ray Allen is the greatest 3 pt shooter ever, the point I was trying to make is that Bogan can shoot the 3 80% as well and can play defense better than him. His role in the series will be vastly underrated.
scsiegel89 says:
05/17/11 02:48PM
hmmmmm... i'm not sure if I did my analysis correct or not...
MJ2345 says:
05/17/11 04:32PM



Pfft Its about matchups!!!The Hawks were a bad matchup for the Bulls but they prevailed.The Bulls are a terible matchup for Miami.They are fast,great D and rebound.Miami makes the same mistakes vs the Bulls they will not get away with it.Isolating has no chance of beating the Bulls.

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