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Overated Goalie

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Posted Wednesday, April 29, 2009 09:56 AM   27 comments
i debated with myself whether or not to post this because i am fearful the ranger fans and devil fans will hijack this thread and turn it into a bitching contest, but I have decided to open this up for discussion hoping it won't happen.
 
i have always felt like Henrik Lundqvist is one of the more overated goalies in the NHL to begin with. So after reading game wrap-ups after game 2 & 3 it further drove home my point.
 
The game 2 wrap-up suggested Henrik was amazing and that the only reason the rangers won that game was because of his amazing goaltending. Then I read game 3 and it suggesting the Henrik had no chance on any of the goals and the reason the rangers lost was because of the piss poor performance by the defence.
 
The love fest the media has with this guy is sickening, when the rangers win it is because Henrik Lundqvist is an amazing goaltender who is top 3 in the league and when the rangers lose it is because the defence in front of him played horribly and he had no chance.
 
I just think that Henrik Lundqvist is overated and not even a top 5 goaltender in the league. His numbers benefit from playing in a system with a strong defense that keeps shots to the outside and clogs the middle preventing the cross-ice pass (which I believe is his biggest weakness, moving side to side.) I think he would have a GAA above 3 if he had to go play for a team like Buffalo or Atlanta, that doesn't play good defense.
 
So do you agree or disagree and if you disagree who is your most overated goalie in the NHL?
 
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KillaRuss07 says:
04/29/09 09:59AM

i love marty but lundquist will be very close to him, hes on pace to pass alot of his records, so stop hating

KillaRuss07 says:
04/29/09 10:06AM
and luongo is probably the best at the moment but you cant compare him to marty, hes too old and has no shot at his records meanwhile lundquist does and is on pace, so get some facts thornton, go back to your west threads cause you obviously dont know the east that well.
thornton6 says:
04/29/09 10:25AM

I don't hate Lundqvist i never said that once! I said he aint in the same league as Marty. As for breaking Marty's records he is a long way off and aint going to do it. Marty has 557 regular season wins while Lundqvist has 142. That is a difference of 415 so that means the next ten years Lundqvist would have to win 40 plus games a year to even come close! I don't know what hockey you are watching but the Rangers are not going to get him 40 plus wins for 10 more seasons. Then you have injury and age to worry about. I would make that bet in Vegas right now if i could that Lundqvist is not goin to break Marty's win record.  For your statement you don't have to win cups to be great ask any covers member and see what they tell you! All great goalies win you a cup Roydid it, Fuhr did it and Marty has done it. You have to steal games in ever run to a cup and great goalies do it! Lundqvist hasn't done it yet they have not even got to a cup with Lundqvist yet!

KillaRuss07 says:
04/29/09 12:38PM

im not saying hes gonna do it, i just said he's on pace, its higly unlikely and id take that bet in a second too, but  your putting him down cause he doesnt have a cup thats not an excuse and hes only played a few years give him a chance to get one, which i doubt cause every year we wind up playing the teams the league wants to move on, and once we have a powerplay and start getting goals we'll have a great shot, the rangers are missing that 30 goal a year player and we've been trying to buy one, but its not that easy, our young ones are developing well and hopefully they breakout next year because what we are missing is an identity like crosby, ovechkin, nash or a zach parise type of player and once we have that, plus henrik, plus a powerplay we'd be unstoppable no matter how many BS or missed calls there are in the playoffs.

bracks says:
04/29/09 01:38PM

Let's see, who is it better to get outplayed by, Ward or Varlamov? Yeah, thats what I thought.

And yeah, Lundqvist won't get that many losses cause the Rangers will never let him get that far in the playoff's year after year like Marty.

Yes, his career is coming to an end, and the game winning goal was his fault, but I will make sure to check back in with you in even 5 yrs to see what else Lundqvist has added to his career stats besides a couple more 1st Rd losses in the playoffs. It also, to be fair, will never be able to really compare these 2. I mean , Marty was drafted in 90 and has played in the league 15yrs, he is 36. henrik is 27 already, drafted in '00, and played in the league for 3. I don't see Lundqvist playing till he is 39.
thornton6 says:
04/30/09 12:12AM

Wow he is a hall a famer! Brodeur has won 40 or more games 7 times! Marty has won 30 or more games 12 years in a row would have been 13 if he doesn't get hurt this year. Has Lundqvist won a Cup like Brodeur. The last and not least has he won the most games in NHL history as a goalie. You want to compare stats Marty owns all of them. Marty has won at every level Lundqvist is good but he aint in the same league as Brodeur. Just ask any coach or player ir even a GM in the NHL who they would take and every single one would take Brodeur over Lundqvist that you could bet and win easily!

lwft says:
04/30/09 01:15AM
hmmm.. nobody mentions varlamov?  just curious what people thoughts are.
jarod319 says:
04/30/09 08:48AM
So if the season was half as long, Chris Mason would have to earn an honorable mention. The second half comeback from the Blues was mostly from his presence between the pipes. He stunk it up the first half, but something clicked in early Feb. and he turned his game around. Definately cant put him in my top ten, but a great second half none the less. With that said, I'm really suprised no one has mentioned Pekka Rinne. Yeah, Nashville didn't make the playoffs, but he played in 52 game and won 29 of them. 2.4 GAA and a .917 save% on a crappy Nashville team. If you mention Steve Mason, you have put this guy up there with him. 2 great young goalies.
thornton6 says:
04/30/09 09:14AM

I don't know NJDevils! I said it many times i would love to have Brodeur in Calgary and i know every player, coach and GM would tell you the same Marty is a big game goalie and they would take him over Lundqvist anyday! Brodeur has broken so many records and has won 40 or more games 7 times you know how hard that is wow!

Gza says:
04/30/09 11:14AM
Brodeur is obviously better than Henry, but at the same time Henry is a very good Goaltender.

Without Henry, the Rangers are very likely swept in the Caps series.

 

I also wouldn't say Henry was "outplayed" by his counterpart.  When you face 1 shot on goal in the 3rd period of a game 7, it's pretty easy to keep a team off the board.  There's plenty of people you could pluck off the street and put in goal to stop 1 shot.


Lets not give the Caps Goalie too much credit either.

leafs1789 says:
05/11/09 11:51PM
Luongo can't take take a shit team in florida or an average team in vancouver anywhere, there just lucky they drew a st. louis team in the 1st round or they would of been gone in that round.

 

i was being nice when i said Luongo was a # 2 goalie in the world, but after this round allowing almost 4 goals a game, he's lucky to be a top 10 goalie, but he is a good regular season goalie but it stops there, i hope team Canada is smart enough not to have him as our #1 next year, or you may as well kiss the gold away.

 

Luongo = overrated

 

how about them canucks, hey clepto you must be in tears aftere that great goaltending.

thornton6 says:
05/11/09 11:59PM

Reading this is funny to say Luongo overrated! Why is he overrated because he gave up 7 goals in the game there was 12 goals scored in the game and could have had 5 more! Luongo is still top 2 in the world in the nets. Don't judge him on the series or tonight's game. Luongo had an off night big deal every goalie or player has bad nights do they not?

thornton6 says:
05/12/09 12:13AM
NJDevils we have to choose from Brodeur, Luongo, Ward, to name a few! I feel very confident we have the best goalies in the world all from Canada!
leafs1789 says:
05/12/09 12:16AM
how is he not overrated, what has he ever done in big games, not counting regular season game, when it comes to a big game he's not clutch, noway he's a top 2 goalie when the game is on the line. he deserves the name CHOKE

 

please tell me what has he ever done in post season

HeadOverHeart says:
05/12/09 12:21AM


You forgot about Tim Cheveldae!!!

WATCH LINK HERE

Not a fighter, but good man indeed.  Good on him for saving Probert from those coward Blues double-teaming him. 
JWatt26 says:
05/12/09 12:22AM


Wow, a Leafs fan is talking trash. What a fucking joke...
leafs1789 says:
05/12/09 12:25AM
atleast i can be honest about my team, and i dont hide when my team is shit, not like others.
leafs1789 says:
05/12/09 12:29AM
when you get a guy like clepto on here going on and on about how good vancouver and Luongo is and called me out months ago when sundin made his visit to toronto and also told me not to hide.

 

i didnt start the trash talking,

thornton6 says:
05/12/09 08:32AM
So Luongo overrated here we go again sounds like a Brodeur thread! I will say it again every GM, Coach, Player would take Luongo in a heart beat if Vancouver is willing to trade him tomorrow to any team that needs a goalie. They would be calling to see what the Canucks want! You just don't get goalies like him everyday.
SoCalSmoke says:
05/12/09 08:59AM
I wonder if some of you guys even watch these games?

 

Luongo is over-rated?

 

The Canucks play as much defense as the 2008 Detroit Lions...

 

Taking yesterday for instance..he had ZERO chance on 4 of the goals scored, flat out giveaways by his team right around the net.

 

I guess Chris Mason sucks too, and Jonas Hiller flat out sucks now.

 

Bottom line is Vancouver was a number 3 seed far and away because of Luongo than anything else the Canucks have to offer...period.

 

Ducati says:
05/12/09 10:39AM
The media hypes this guy up wayy too much, I swear TSN is in love with this guy. He's won nothing!
TorontoJoey says:
05/12/09 11:15AM
weeble5672 says:
05/12/09 11:23AM


Please don't group us all together, thank you.
Euler says:
05/12/09 12:03PM
WEEBS- Still trying to figure out who that jay is in ur avitar??


It's Dave Stieb - seven-time all-star. A blue jays legend.

weeble5672 says:
05/12/09 02:44PM



wawakid says:
05/12/09 12:15PM
I'd take Robby L on my team any day. I really don't know why he's getting bashed here. Let put it this way if VAN was going anywhere they were going to ride his coattail. Guy's a HORSE.
mavshater99 says:
05/12/09 03:33PM
Totall agree about Luongo

 

The Playoffs are were goalies become legends

 

Luongo did not steal a game or a series like a top goalie needs to at Playoff time

 

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