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New gambling legislation - what it all actually means - here are your cliff notes....

By vanzack | View all Posts
Posted Thursday, May 07, 2009 05:01 PM   13 comments
So there is a new bill up for approval sponsored by Barney Frank and Jim McDermott.  It is advertised as the reversal of the UIGEA that passed in the dead of night a couple of years ago and removed neteller from our lives and made it harder to move money.
 
Here are the specifics:
 
1.  It is currently LEGAL at the federal level to bet on sports.  This legislation does NOTHING to address the legality of wagering for the bet placer.  It is still ILLEGAL to accept wagers.  This wont change.
 
2.  The new legislation excludes any business that handles sports betting.  So this does nothing to open up sportsbooks moving money easier.
 
3.  The new legislation will license gambling establishments.  These will include establishments that offer online BJ, craps, and poker etc. - NOT SPORTSBETTING.
 
4.  Any company that gets this license will pay a 2% tax on all deposits.
 
5.  Any company that gets a license will be required to provide to the IRS a summary of all wins and losses by player.
 
6.  There is language about protecting the addicted gambler, children etc - useless.
 
7.   The UIGEA is delayed from being enforced on Dec 1 09 to Dec 1 10 (this is useless because it is essentially unenforceable more than what they do now).
 
 
So in a nutshell - the govt has realized that they are missing out on  a big revenue stream - both from taxing the gaming business but also the player.  This is a plan to get both.  This is not a plan to overturn the UIGEA. 
 
This is also not a plan to accept sporst betting as a form of government sponsored gambling.  The govt thinks poker and table games are fine, but not sports betting.  I guess the poker lobby is much stronger than the anti sports gambling lobby (the NFL, NBA etc).
 
So thats really it.  In the end, even if this passes, I am not convinced a company like pokerstars would even participate.  Yes, it would be much easier for them to receive deposits - but it would cost them 2% on all deposits, the cost of the license itself, and a presumed loss of customers who will be very pissed that the govt will be getting a log of their wins and losses.  I guess this will come down to a business decision for companies like PS.
 
The big winner here is land based US casinos like Harrahs who are struggling now, but are foaming at the mouth to be a govt sponsored online gambling company - which they will be with very little effort.
 
For the player, if you play a lot of poker, and dont mind the govt knowing your wins and losses - there will be very easy ways to deposit and receive money from a harrahs or similar.  Im sure they will accept CC's, and online banking transactions - and in that respect this will help a lot of people win at a online poker table and collect their money 5 minutes later.
 
Unfortunately, it will do nothing for the guy who wants to bet on a football game in 5 minutes but has not money offshore.
 
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G8RB8 says:
05/07/09 05:09PM




vanzack says:
05/07/09 05:14PM
 

BTW-This is just proposed legislation -  it is not passed.   It will have to go through the House, the Senate and the President.  Judging by the UIGEA, there will be tons of revisions to this legislation before it makes its way through and is signed into law. 

 

So don't expect the specifics stated above to necessarily be what gets put into law, but the general idea should come through.

 

 

G8RB8 says:
05/07/09 05:16PM
Yeah, but at least it's a start.  I'd rather it get approved than denied. . .  baby steps. . .
GAM says:
05/07/09 05:56PM
Fuck the NBA, NFL, and MLB.
oiupdfs says:
05/07/09 08:00PM
Wait.... I know this will probably seem like a completely dumb newbie question (which it is), but....

[quote]1.  It is currently LEGAL at the federal level to bet on sports.  This

legislation does NOTHING to address the legality of wagering for the

bet placer.  It is still ILLEGAL to accept wagers.  This wont change.[/quote]

It's legal for me to place an online bet (just not receive one)?  I thought that was illegal.  That was the main thing that was making me scared to try.  Now I'm even more confused.

LongTermProfits says:
05/07/09 08:19PM

i'd rather it not get approved

everyone bets on sports online now, why get the governement involved?

casheasy says:
05/07/09 09:18PM

 

Vanzack is correct on this. And I don't balme you for being confused. Everytime you see a segment on Fox News or 60 MInutes or any news program, they say the same thing....."But, even though gambling online is illegal, we were still able to do it with the click of a mouse!" 

Again, it is NOT illegal at the federal level. Individual states, like Washington, have enacted laws recently that ban gambling online. What this legislation addresses, is the legality of those taking the wagers from the bettor. That is what's illegal, in most cases.

oiupdfs says:
05/07/09 09:30PM


OK, so that changes things considerably for me.  Is there a list somewhere of what states have prohibitions in place?
geno25 says:
05/08/09 01:02AM
how much for a license?
VegasMaxx says:
05/08/09 10:28AM
 I guess the poker lobby is much stronger than the anti sports gambling lobby (the NFL, NBA etc).

 

 

PokerPlayersAlliance.

 

SportsGamblersAlliance where u at?

Gambleholic says:
05/09/09 05:01AM
Heres my take...

 

The law gets passed. 

 

Financial Institutions will then be able to faciliate financial transactions between their customers and the gambling establishments.

 

All big books operating now are doing so outside of the US law, and that won't change. 

 

I am guessing companies like Neteller will be able to accept deposits.

 

Those companies operated in a gray area before.

 

Those companies will have no problem shipping the funds offshore to a non licensed company.

 

Yes/No

misfit_aka says:
12/31/09 01:19PM
the prob is all the laws favor BIG business, if i want to start my own legit sports book im screwed this is made for big casinos to go online nationwide. govt is to corruptible to regulate this industry (prob any industry but that another subject). just make it legal. aside from income tax keep the part about books having to pay a small % of deposit every quarter (2%?). like that? keep it simple.
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